Is Windows 11 ready to be used?
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
The start button is there. An important feature as far as I'm concerned would be docking the task bar to a side of the screen, that's still missing. I get the occasional AMD fTPM hiccups, waiting for the announced fix.
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
I'm using it, and the Start menu is a **vast** improvement over the horror that was Windows 10. It's actually genuinely useful, and all those ridiculous tiles are gone. It's still a bit buggy though. My pet peeves are: - when you click on the icon for a running app in the taskbar, it doesn't (usually) come to the front (this is really annoying) - when you launch an application, is sometimes doesn't come to the front (less annoying, but weird; related?) Other than that, it's fine. I do resent the fact that I had to buy (well, build) a new machine to run it though. Probably I could have snuck round that, but it didn't seem worth it. I don't want my primary development machine suddenly saying "shalln't" because MS have decided to pull the plug. Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
new company laptop, so yes. Most hated part (because company laptop and although I could edit regisity, I'm resisting not do so) is no un-group task bar applications multiple broowser windows, multiple Visual Studio instances multiple windows explorer multiple excel windows i dont want to hover over to tab to switch window.
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new company laptop, so yes. Most hated part (because company laptop and although I could edit regisity, I'm resisting not do so) is no un-group task bar applications multiple broowser windows, multiple Visual Studio instances multiple windows explorer multiple excel windows i dont want to hover over to tab to switch window.
while im ranting that the default taskbar is to middle I understand is beneficial from a Touch first design, but from mouse ui, and placement memory is bad. open new app, it shifts all the task bar items. Yes, Mac got away with it for decades, doenst mean shifting where app is for design sakes is good for user
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You can't group icons in the start menu? :wtf: What braniac came up with that? WSL - windows subsystem for linux. What happened to all of the security advertising? Pretty sure 11 will have a new flavor of "let's make people rant, ooohhh there's Charlie."
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
"let's make people rant, ooohhh there's Charlie."
New and shiny paranoia mode. :-)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
This is all an "In my Opinion". Take it with a pinch of salt. I didn't like it. The new explorer context menu might look nice, but 95% of the options that I (as a developer) use are hidden behind the "show extras" link (or whatever it was called). This means that most of the time I use the file explorer, everything I do with it requires an extra click. It's incompatible with VMWare Workstation. I extensively use VMs on a day to day basis. The only way of getting it to work is to back off the number of cores to 1. All of my VMs use Chrome. Has anyone tried using Chrome on a single core? It's not pretty! The "fix" is to pay for an upgrade to VMWare. At this point, I rolled back to Windows 10, and I'm not intending to upgrade, until they fix at least those issues.
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charlieg wrote:
"let's make people rant, ooohhh there's Charlie."
New and shiny paranoia mode. :-)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
It works very well for me. No issues so far. Only one annoying thing: if you right click a start menu icon it does not show the last opened documents in that application, you will have to open it first and then open your file.
www.robotecnik.com[^] - robots, CNC and PLC programming
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I'm using it, and the Start menu is a **vast** improvement over the horror that was Windows 10. It's actually genuinely useful, and all those ridiculous tiles are gone. It's still a bit buggy though. My pet peeves are: - when you click on the icon for a running app in the taskbar, it doesn't (usually) come to the front (this is really annoying) - when you launch an application, is sometimes doesn't come to the front (less annoying, but weird; related?) Other than that, it's fine. I do resent the fact that I had to buy (well, build) a new machine to run it though. Probably I could have snuck round that, but it didn't seem worth it. I don't want my primary development machine suddenly saying "shalln't" because MS have decided to pull the plug. Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
Paul Sanders (the other one) wrote:
Other than that, it's fine. I do resent the fact that I had to buy (well, build) a new machine to run it though. Probably I could have snuck round that, but it didn't seem worth it. I don't want my primary development machine suddenly saying "shalln't" because MS have decided to pull the plug.
Why did you switch to Win11? Was there a pressing need? When Win11 was released my desktop was 8 yo and my laptop 6 yo. Switching to Win11 was not an option, as I saw no point in buying new h/w to run an O/S that I didn't have a pressing need for. A few months back my desktop exhibited memory errors, and given the age, I replaced the MB, CPU, and RAM, and re-installed Win10. Once I replace the laptop (which may be sooner than I want) I'll consider Win11, depending on the state of Win11 at that time. At this point, Win11 seems like hassles without benefit, so it's very likely I'll stay on Win10 until that changes, or until Win10 goes out of support.
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
The revamped Settings control is simply gorgeous. In light of its obvious ability to take ever-expanding setting complexity and not lose any level of computer user in the process, there is no doubt in my mind that the drop-down slide-off non-scalable menu control has no place in future GUIs. Are you listening Visual Studio?
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This is all an "In my Opinion". Take it with a pinch of salt. I didn't like it. The new explorer context menu might look nice, but 95% of the options that I (as a developer) use are hidden behind the "show extras" link (or whatever it was called). This means that most of the time I use the file explorer, everything I do with it requires an extra click. It's incompatible with VMWare Workstation. I extensively use VMs on a day to day basis. The only way of getting it to work is to back off the number of cores to 1. All of my VMs use Chrome. Has anyone tried using Chrome on a single core? It's not pretty! The "fix" is to pay for an upgrade to VMWare. At this point, I rolled back to Windows 10, and I'm not intending to upgrade, until they fix at least those issues.
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It's incompatible with VMWare Workstation
Is it MS or is it really VMWare to blame? We couldn't use VMWare with or without HyperV enabled in Windows 10 for quite a while. So long in fact, that I started using HyperV and uninstalled VMWare, then you could disable it and run VMWare after some patches, but I needed HyperV for javascript development so it wasn't one or the other that I needed! Eventually it was fixed again, and I did reinstall, as I had to resume using VMWare occasionally for older release Siemens PLC development. It's not like Win 10 or Win 11 just poofed and surprised VMWare, they should have been working to get the issues resolved during the RC phases.
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Paul Sanders (the other one) wrote:
Other than that, it's fine. I do resent the fact that I had to buy (well, build) a new machine to run it though. Probably I could have snuck round that, but it didn't seem worth it. I don't want my primary development machine suddenly saying "shalln't" because MS have decided to pull the plug.
Why did you switch to Win11? Was there a pressing need? When Win11 was released my desktop was 8 yo and my laptop 6 yo. Switching to Win11 was not an option, as I saw no point in buying new h/w to run an O/S that I didn't have a pressing need for. A few months back my desktop exhibited memory errors, and given the age, I replaced the MB, CPU, and RAM, and re-installed Win10. Once I replace the laptop (which may be sooner than I want) I'll consider Win11, depending on the state of Win11 at that time. At this point, Win11 seems like hassles without benefit, so it's very likely I'll stay on Win10 until that changes, or until Win10 goes out of support.
Not really, no, but quite a few of my customers are switching over so I though I should be able to experience what they experience (I had it installed in a VM, but that's not the same as using it day in, day out). But you're right, you're not missing out on anything important. And if, like me, you have a pathological hatred of the Windows 10 start menu, there's always [Start10](https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/). Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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So far pretty ok. Whether you like it or hate it... sooner or later you need to become familiar with it. Same was with 2k->xp->W7->W8->W10 :^)
Yes, but I know of a lot of people who skipped ME, Vista, W8. maybe a bunch of people will skip W11 and just wait for the next one. I wouldn't mind upgrading, but I loath the new Mac clone of a start menu. everything else seems pretty cool and useful.
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I have it in a VM somewhere but haven't spent enough time making actual use of it to offer an honest opinion. But what I keep hearing is, if you're a power user, you will sooner or later come to hate the taskbar, which lacks a lot of basic features you simply took for granted on Win10. If that's of no concern to you...jump right ahead? Because every other comment I've read so far agrees with the others here, it's really still Win10 with a new paint job. YMMV.
lol, single most annoying being the removal of the Task Manager option from the right click menu and outside of that right click on anything else and see Click here for every other option you liked using which we have now hidden another click away Sigh, sometimes progress just doesn't seem to be forwards
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
Is there something missing with Windows 10? I wouldn't upgrade if there isn't. Just wait until you have to by a new computer that comes with Windows 11.
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
I asked myself the same question the other day and was even ready to do a clean install of Win11 but decided it wasn't worth it. I have yet to hear anything compelling that would make we want to switch. To me, all of the changes are for "regular" users, not "power" users. I suspect I would just find it annoying. So I decided I won't switch until MS decides it's no longer a free upgrade. I realize I'll have to switch sometime but not till they make me. BTW - I figured I'd do a clean install rather than "upgrading" from Win10. Any opinions on that?
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Is there something missing with Windows 10? I wouldn't upgrade if there isn't. Just wait until you have to by a new computer that comes with Windows 11.
More mature WSL - it is important for me
Nick Polyak
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
Seems ok, apart from issue with task bars on multiple screens. And an emails not being sent which appears to be fixed.
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What would you advise? Is there a start button there in the Desktop mode? - yes, it is kind of important for me. Any important features lacking?
Nick Polyak
MS has link to free Win11 VM images so you can "try" win11 and current dev tools. Its Win11 Enterprise edition.. The trial images I believe are still available and activated for another couple weeks. The had extended the trial period to May. Actually had a project that used some legacy OLE functionality that required the old Paint which we found was wacky 10 to 11 upgrades and didnt work at all with clean install of 11. That trial image saved us a ton of time testing as well as establish that our dev team was not ready to make the switch just yet.
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MS has link to free Win11 VM images so you can "try" win11 and current dev tools. Its Win11 Enterprise edition.. The trial images I believe are still available and activated for another couple weeks. The had extended the trial period to May. Actually had a project that used some legacy OLE functionality that required the old Paint which we found was wacky 10 to 11 upgrades and didnt work at all with clean install of 11. That trial image saved us a ton of time testing as well as establish that our dev team was not ready to make the switch just yet.
Since I'm on SSI, not by me unless someone wants to donate a new PC that 11 will work on. ( presently a Dell XPS 8900... mobo only handles up to i7-6700 cpu ) :sigh: