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    As some of you might have been aware by some Australian post... Australian election are coming this Saturday! On Facebook, not as private message but on a wall, someone shared an handy guide to all the minor parties. I commented, and I quote from memory, the post has been removed "party X is a bunch of crooks, shoot them on sight". Now I was not really recommending to go full American and do a public shooting for real. It was more like a metaphor between like minded small group of friend, to emphasize how untrustworthy were those wanna be minister. Plus we don't have a tradition of public shooting here, I mean we did but no longer, thanks John Howard (even if you're a crook in other aspect). At any rate, The Algorithm told me that my post was inflammatory and has been removed, and I could appeal if I think I was misunderstood. I didn't, annoying but no big deals. In the past I noticed many web site have some heavy handed, wild blanketed rude language filter and they are just gonna ignore my complaint. Plus hey, I did use the words "shoot people". I mean obviously nobody I know (and nobody that would read that post) will think I was really advocating it, but, emm.. The Algorithm will think I mean my word. The Algorithm being as subtle as a 3 years old. Perhaps for good reason, according to the rumor I hear on the internet. But I thought about it again today... it was just one click away, should have I complained, what says you?

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      As some of you might have been aware by some Australian post... Australian election are coming this Saturday! On Facebook, not as private message but on a wall, someone shared an handy guide to all the minor parties. I commented, and I quote from memory, the post has been removed "party X is a bunch of crooks, shoot them on sight". Now I was not really recommending to go full American and do a public shooting for real. It was more like a metaphor between like minded small group of friend, to emphasize how untrustworthy were those wanna be minister. Plus we don't have a tradition of public shooting here, I mean we did but no longer, thanks John Howard (even if you're a crook in other aspect). At any rate, The Algorithm told me that my post was inflammatory and has been removed, and I could appeal if I think I was misunderstood. I didn't, annoying but no big deals. In the past I noticed many web site have some heavy handed, wild blanketed rude language filter and they are just gonna ignore my complaint. Plus hey, I did use the words "shoot people". I mean obviously nobody I know (and nobody that would read that post) will think I was really advocating it, but, emm.. The Algorithm will think I mean my word. The Algorithm being as subtle as a 3 years old. Perhaps for good reason, according to the rumor I hear on the internet. But I thought about it again today... it was just one click away, should have I complained, what says you?

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      I'd say there are a lot of loonies out there, and posting "let's assassinate politicians (or would-be politicos)" is bound to upset a lot of filters because it could be pointed at if just one loony does go postal. Even if said loonies never see it, and said politicos are crooks who do deserve a quick and merciful death - I have no idea what the parties are in Oz, let alone which one you think are crooked. All of them seem to be, worldwide anyway ... Should you complain? No, it's probably saved you from some of the attention such things get from security forces, even if they give it a quick glance in context and decide it's nothing to worry about the fact of their looking at you and your comment history raises your profile next time you get red flagged. Just like here: posting something obnoxious or spammy gets attention, which even if it is let through remains in the gestalt memory next time you come up. Too many memory joggers and teh ban hammer gets twitchy. :laugh:

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        As some of you might have been aware by some Australian post... Australian election are coming this Saturday! On Facebook, not as private message but on a wall, someone shared an handy guide to all the minor parties. I commented, and I quote from memory, the post has been removed "party X is a bunch of crooks, shoot them on sight". Now I was not really recommending to go full American and do a public shooting for real. It was more like a metaphor between like minded small group of friend, to emphasize how untrustworthy were those wanna be minister. Plus we don't have a tradition of public shooting here, I mean we did but no longer, thanks John Howard (even if you're a crook in other aspect). At any rate, The Algorithm told me that my post was inflammatory and has been removed, and I could appeal if I think I was misunderstood. I didn't, annoying but no big deals. In the past I noticed many web site have some heavy handed, wild blanketed rude language filter and they are just gonna ignore my complaint. Plus hey, I did use the words "shoot people". I mean obviously nobody I know (and nobody that would read that post) will think I was really advocating it, but, emm.. The Algorithm will think I mean my word. The Algorithm being as subtle as a 3 years old. Perhaps for good reason, according to the rumor I hear on the internet. But I thought about it again today... it was just one click away, should have I complained, what says you?

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        On a related note, this is about Twatter 'Twitter does not believe in free speech': Twitter engineer recorded saying they censor the right | Daily Mail Online[^]

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          I'd say there are a lot of loonies out there, and posting "let's assassinate politicians (or would-be politicos)" is bound to upset a lot of filters because it could be pointed at if just one loony does go postal. Even if said loonies never see it, and said politicos are crooks who do deserve a quick and merciful death - I have no idea what the parties are in Oz, let alone which one you think are crooked. All of them seem to be, worldwide anyway ... Should you complain? No, it's probably saved you from some of the attention such things get from security forces, even if they give it a quick glance in context and decide it's nothing to worry about the fact of their looking at you and your comment history raises your profile next time you get red flagged. Just like here: posting something obnoxious or spammy gets attention, which even if it is let through remains in the gestalt memory next time you come up. Too many memory joggers and teh ban hammer gets twitchy. :laugh:

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          I have the have the, perhaps naively idealistic view, that one might occasionally find honest politicians in the small fringe parties! :)

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            On a related note, this is about Twatter 'Twitter does not believe in free speech': Twitter engineer recorded saying they censor the right | Daily Mail Online[^]

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            Oh.. poor right winger. Everybody hates them, it's true! ;P

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              I have the have the, perhaps naively idealistic view, that one might occasionally find honest politicians in the small fringe parties! :)

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              I don't think that level of naivety lasts much past the point at which they are elected and see how big the trough they could get their snouts into, unfortunately. :sigh:

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • S Super Lloyd

                As some of you might have been aware by some Australian post... Australian election are coming this Saturday! On Facebook, not as private message but on a wall, someone shared an handy guide to all the minor parties. I commented, and I quote from memory, the post has been removed "party X is a bunch of crooks, shoot them on sight". Now I was not really recommending to go full American and do a public shooting for real. It was more like a metaphor between like minded small group of friend, to emphasize how untrustworthy were those wanna be minister. Plus we don't have a tradition of public shooting here, I mean we did but no longer, thanks John Howard (even if you're a crook in other aspect). At any rate, The Algorithm told me that my post was inflammatory and has been removed, and I could appeal if I think I was misunderstood. I didn't, annoying but no big deals. In the past I noticed many web site have some heavy handed, wild blanketed rude language filter and they are just gonna ignore my complaint. Plus hey, I did use the words "shoot people". I mean obviously nobody I know (and nobody that would read that post) will think I was really advocating it, but, emm.. The Algorithm will think I mean my word. The Algorithm being as subtle as a 3 years old. Perhaps for good reason, according to the rumor I hear on the internet. But I thought about it again today... it was just one click away, should have I complained, what says you?

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                I did once recommend dropping a frog into the Christmas punch of a popular journalist on a social media site. The algorithm picked up the word "punch" and I was banned for a day. It takes a little skill to word things in a manner that will not get the pearl clutching algorithms from taking things out of context. (For those not in the know "punch" is a drink)

                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                  On a related note, this is about Twatter 'Twitter does not believe in free speech': Twitter engineer recorded saying they censor the right | Daily Mail Online[^]

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                  Ah, the good old Daily Fail. The paper that campaigned vigorously against the "yellow peril" of Chinese immigrants. The paper which campaigned against granting women and lower-class men the right to vote, and against granting independence to India. The paper that supported the actual Nazis (right up until it became apparent they were going to lose). The paper that was a big fan of apartheid. The paper that wanted to identify and abort homosexual foetuses based on a so-called "gay gene" test. The paper that recently partnered with The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese communist party. And that's before you get to the Fail Online's "sidebar of shame", which was infamous for perving over predominantly female - and sometimes even underage - celebrities. But sure, we'll pay attention when they criticize the perceived behaviour of another website. :laugh:


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                    I have the have the, perhaps naively idealistic view, that one might occasionally find honest politicians in the small fringe parties! :)

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                    You should think yourself lucky, we have the best politicians that money can buy. ;P

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                      I did once recommend dropping a frog into the Christmas punch of a popular journalist on a social media site. The algorithm picked up the word "punch" and I was banned for a day. It takes a little skill to word things in a manner that will not get the pearl clutching algorithms from taking things out of context. (For those not in the know "punch" is a drink)

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      haha, damn!

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                        You should think yourself lucky, we have the best politicians that money can buy. ;P

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                        fair dinkum! :laugh: ;P

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                          You should think yourself lucky, we have the best politicians that money can buy. ;P

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                          Whoever paid for our lot should be asking for a refund. :laugh:


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                            Ah, the good old Daily Fail. The paper that campaigned vigorously against the "yellow peril" of Chinese immigrants. The paper which campaigned against granting women and lower-class men the right to vote, and against granting independence to India. The paper that supported the actual Nazis (right up until it became apparent they were going to lose). The paper that was a big fan of apartheid. The paper that wanted to identify and abort homosexual foetuses based on a so-called "gay gene" test. The paper that recently partnered with The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese communist party. And that's before you get to the Fail Online's "sidebar of shame", which was infamous for perving over predominantly female - and sometimes even underage - celebrities. But sure, we'll pay attention when they criticize the perceived behaviour of another website. :laugh:


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                            Being an Indian, I am not sure of the veracity of British websites and newspapers. Just gave the news from one of the sites. I find the same news being reported on a dozen Indian websites, and here is a sample link - 'Commie As F***...' Twitter engineer makes explosive claims[^]

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                              Being an Indian, I am not sure of the veracity of British websites and newspapers. Just gave the news from one of the sites. I find the same news being reported on a dozen Indian websites, and here is a sample link - 'Commie As F***...' Twitter engineer makes explosive claims[^]

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                              Amarnath S wrote:

                              the veracity of British websites and newspapers

                              Most are about as trustworthy as our politicians. :laugh:


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                              • S Super Lloyd

                                As some of you might have been aware by some Australian post... Australian election are coming this Saturday! On Facebook, not as private message but on a wall, someone shared an handy guide to all the minor parties. I commented, and I quote from memory, the post has been removed "party X is a bunch of crooks, shoot them on sight". Now I was not really recommending to go full American and do a public shooting for real. It was more like a metaphor between like minded small group of friend, to emphasize how untrustworthy were those wanna be minister. Plus we don't have a tradition of public shooting here, I mean we did but no longer, thanks John Howard (even if you're a crook in other aspect). At any rate, The Algorithm told me that my post was inflammatory and has been removed, and I could appeal if I think I was misunderstood. I didn't, annoying but no big deals. In the past I noticed many web site have some heavy handed, wild blanketed rude language filter and they are just gonna ignore my complaint. Plus hey, I did use the words "shoot people". I mean obviously nobody I know (and nobody that would read that post) will think I was really advocating it, but, emm.. The Algorithm will think I mean my word. The Algorithm being as subtle as a 3 years old. Perhaps for good reason, according to the rumor I hear on the internet. But I thought about it again today... it was just one click away, should have I complained, what says you?

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                                It's about all that a company can do to adhere to EU law; some stuff needs to be removed in 24hrs. You should complain, because it makes you feel better, but don't expect any changes.

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                                  Ah, the good old Daily Fail. The paper that campaigned vigorously against the "yellow peril" of Chinese immigrants. The paper which campaigned against granting women and lower-class men the right to vote, and against granting independence to India. The paper that supported the actual Nazis (right up until it became apparent they were going to lose). The paper that was a big fan of apartheid. The paper that wanted to identify and abort homosexual foetuses based on a so-called "gay gene" test. The paper that recently partnered with The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese communist party. And that's before you get to the Fail Online's "sidebar of shame", which was infamous for perving over predominantly female - and sometimes even underage - celebrities. But sure, we'll pay attention when they criticize the perceived behaviour of another website. :laugh:


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                                  Ha! When all else fails, blame the source! :rolleyes:

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                                    Ha! When all else fails, blame the source! :rolleyes:

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                                    Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realise we weren't allowed to blame the gutter-press for things they'd actually done. :laugh: I can only assume you're not familiar with Viscount Rothermere's "Tory Propaganda Rag", aka the Daily Mail. Essentially, they're about as trustworthy a news-source as the drunk guy down the pub who claims to be The Proclaimers' uncle.


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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      Ah, the good old Daily Fail. The paper that campaigned vigorously against the "yellow peril" of Chinese immigrants. The paper which campaigned against granting women and lower-class men the right to vote, and against granting independence to India. The paper that supported the actual Nazis (right up until it became apparent they were going to lose). The paper that was a big fan of apartheid. The paper that wanted to identify and abort homosexual foetuses based on a so-called "gay gene" test. The paper that recently partnered with The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese communist party. And that's before you get to the Fail Online's "sidebar of shame", which was infamous for perving over predominantly female - and sometimes even underage - celebrities. But sure, we'll pay attention when they criticize the perceived behaviour of another website. :laugh:


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                                      That was one long-winded logical fallacy.

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                                        That was one long-winded logical fallacy.

                                        If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                                        I think they prefer the name "The Daily Mail"; calling it "Long-Winded Logical Fallacy" wouldn't sell as many papers. :laugh:


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                                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                          Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realise we weren't allowed to blame the gutter-press for things they'd actually done. :laugh: I can only assume you're not familiar with Viscount Rothermere's "Tory Propaganda Rag", aka the Daily Mail. Essentially, they're about as trustworthy a news-source as the drunk guy down the pub who claims to be The Proclaimers' uncle.


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                                          Richard Deeming wrote:

                                          I can only assume you're not familiar with Viscount Rothermere's "Tory Propaganda Rag", aka the Daily Mail. Essentially, they're about as trustworthy a news-source as the drunk guy down the pub who claims to be The Proclaimers' uncle.

                                          Ahhh... the British version of CNN. :thumbsup:

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