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  • M Marc Clifton

    Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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    I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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    • M Marc Clifton

      Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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      Proper articulation beats worn out cliches any time

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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        I've use guys and gals with no perceived negativity. In leading a small team it is probably appropriate but it's the leader's call. some might use boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, folks, people, everyone, team, ....

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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          The same thing that is wrong with "can I get a pint of Guinness" - it used to be "a pint of Guinness please" - also "how are you" is answered "I'm Good" instead of "ok thanks". I could go on but ;P

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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            I got into trouble for that so I started using “Hey A###oles! Listen up” Now they don’t mind “Hey guys”!!

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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              I've been using "guys" as a gender neutral term since the late eighties. I think it's ok in an informal setting. The "recently" & "got" does make the sentence sound odd.

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                The same thing that is wrong with "can I get a pint of Guinness" - it used to be "a pint of Guinness please" - also "how are you" is answered "I'm Good" instead of "ok thanks". I could go on but ;P

                Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                But "got" and "received" are synonyms, saying please and thanks or not saying please and thanks are not :confused:

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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                  For people for whom English is their first (and in my case only fluent) language, the use of 'got' here is poor grammar. I was corrected for such usage by my school teachers. 'Received' is better grammar in this sentence.

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                  • C Craig Robbins

                    For people for whom English is their first (and in my case only fluent) language, the use of 'got' here is poor grammar. I was corrected for such usage by my school teachers. 'Received' is better grammar in this sentence.

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                    ditto

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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                      I don't think got is wrong. It's somewhat colloquial but works well if you're unsure whether they bought the credit card readers or were given them. You could say "I understand that you have new credit card readers". But have won't work if you want to include recently. If you want to be formal, acquired works.

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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                        What about "I understand that new credit card readers were procured by you ..."

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          I'm one of those "hey guys" people too :D In our profession that's usually correct too. Although I've gone for a more gender neutral approach since a woman said something about it (she laughed about it and joked she was "one of the guys", I sat in an all-guy team and she was PO who sat all the way on the other side of the office). Now I mostly go for "hey everyone". I'm usually more formal to clients. What's wrong with "got"?

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                          Sander Rossel wrote:

                          What's wrong with "got"?

                          Nothing... just "dates" Marc, I guess :laugh: Still, better than having to listen to people go... "ummm, like... you know"

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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                            That is so wrong. It should be: "Yo peeps, I hear you got them plastic moolah reading thingies. That's lit*" *I have only recently learnt that this is new word for great. I could be wrong.

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                            • C Craig Robbins

                              For people for whom English is their first (and in my case only fluent) language, the use of 'got' here is poor grammar. I was corrected for such usage by my school teachers. 'Received' is better grammar in this sentence.

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                              Dan Neely
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                              I half agree. Instead of 'got', the message should have used 'gotten'. /necroticequineflagelation

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                              • D dan sh

                                That is so wrong. It should be: "Yo peeps, I hear you got them plastic moolah reading thingies. That's lit*" *I have only recently learnt that this is new word for great. I could be wrong.

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                                Marc Clifton
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                                dan!sh wrote:

                                them plastic moolah reading thingies.

                                I'm definitely going to have to use that! And "that's lit!" - nice!

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                                • C Craig Robbins

                                  For people for whom English is their first (and in my case only fluent) language, the use of 'got' here is poor grammar. I was corrected for such usage by my school teachers. 'Received' is better grammar in this sentence.

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                                  Sasa Cetkovic
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                                  Teachers who say such things don't really understand linguistics. It cannot be poor grammar if it's 100% correct. And, languages evolve, words get new meanings - a guy may be a man, but guys are a bunch of people of any gender.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Is it just me, or should it be expected that a project manager can write a better sentence than that? 1. He doesn't know whether he's talking to just men, and in my book "you guys" still has a male gender association. 2. "Got"??? Really??? How about "received"? It's probably just me.

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                                    Left pond, Deep South “Got” is right up there with “has” and “is”. At least 40 use cases. “Gotta” is the other variant; less use cases. In writing, I agree that there is a better replacement word 99% of the time. MS Word needs a “got” checker.

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