Bought an HP printer lately? You probably want to avoid like the plague
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I make a concerted to avoid ALL HP products. At a previous employer they were one of our biggest customers and they were easily the worst I have ever had to deal with. They wouldn't even follow their own procedures whose documentation filled an entire shelf. That work was for their printer division and those devices are an accurate embodiment of their staff who build them. ETA: I forgot to mention the application framework we were required to use. It was the worst I have ever seen, without equal. Even HP themselves shelved that POS. Here's the really stupid thing about : it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception. I better stop right there - thinking about this is making me nauseous.
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it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception
Thanks! This just made my day. :laugh:
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I have a Canon laser that's been going for quite some time, and SWMBO's HP inkjet got so old that she could no longer find a driver for it. Both good products. But if HP has adopted this execrable monthly fee business model, I doubt we'll ever buy another printer from them.
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it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception
Thanks! This just made my day. :laugh:
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Apparently the design was some genius' masters thesis at UCSD. Had I been their professor that thesis would not have survived its defense.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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All HP Products? Not the same here. I have a EliteBook 8770w since about 10 years or more... And still I like that machine _very much_ ;)
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All HP Products?
Yes, most definitely, ALL of them. Between the ordeal of working with them and then the stupid stuff they have done as a company I want nothing to do with them.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing).
WHAT??? I am in need of a new printer, but I am not permanently connected to internet (on the machine that will have the printer). Is that a common thing today, that printers won't work without an internet connection? So I will have to stay away from HP+ printers. Are there others that behave the same way? (One essential use for the printer will be for high quality photo output, so I am looking into Epson printers. Are they 'safe', in this respect? I assume that web ads do not reveal such nasty details as this!)
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I remember the good old days when HP was a proud company that made top tier test equipment. Now their just dicks like everybody else.
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Yea, HP printers are very much in their network business. In your case, with no options. Grrr
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I like Dell printer.
diligent hands rule....
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I like Dell printer...
diligent hands rule....
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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We recently bought a little HP ($99) for my wife's WFH situation. It took only two cartridges (one black, one color -- which means if magenta is out then you replace entire color cartridge. yes, stupid but we were getting her a printer fast.) It wouldn't print unless you removed the print cable (yes we're using a print cable) and then re-attached the print cable. finally noticed it said we needed drivers. But drivers require a whole application to be installed that tries to register you to send you ink every month. NO!! So I returned it the same day & bought a Epson WorkForce WF-2850 online from Target (of all places) shipping was free. It was $89 & has a flatbed scanner, multisheet loader, and is a far better printer. Plugged it in, installed ink & works perfectly. I will never buy a HP printer so long as they take over your system the way they are now. Epsons are quite nice. We have two of them now & they work well (for inkjet) and have 4 separate ink cartidges so you only have to replace one at a time.
The only problem I have with my epson is that if you have an empty color cartridge, and select that you only want to print in black, it won't print because your color cartridge is out of ink. On windows it will still print after nagging you to replace the empty cartridge, but on linux, you are screwed.
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A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS! But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model. If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1. If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1. So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer). With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference! I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee. Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
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A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS! But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model. If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1. If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1. So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer). With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference! I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee. Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
Or ... do what I did and throw the whole inkjet technology idea in the bin and get a laser. No more wasted ink, you turn it on, print, turn it off. For me, it has worked out loads cheaper - even considering the higher cost of toner over ink - than my inkjets, and way more convenient!
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The only problem I have with my epson is that if you have an empty color cartridge, and select that you only want to print in black, it won't print because your color cartridge is out of ink. On windows it will still print after nagging you to replace the empty cartridge, but on linux, you are screwed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013The problem i had with epson, was the scanner. I got one of those multifunction jobs, and one day when it ran out of ink, I still had some scanning to do, but found the scanner wouldn't work until I replaced the ink. The problem with the ink however is this was now an unsupported model according to epson, so getting carts wasn't exactly easy. After a very heated debate over Twitter with epson customer service, I was basically told "that's the way they are designed, when the printer can print nothing else is enabled, suck it up and go but a new one" At the time all epson printer boxes proudly carried the "Green PC printer company, 3 years in a row" badge, and here they where telling me to throw out a fax machine and scanner that still worked. I did eventually buy a new one, or rather a relative did, as a surprise, and that was another epson, which a year later the heads gunned up on, could not be cleaned, and guess what else stopped working? 4 years down the line however, I now have a HP laser, which I've not had any issues with, and quite happily uses non HP toners too..... More interestingly though, I discovered an app for win, Linux and Mac called "naps2", this by-passes the disablement code in the epson printers allowing me to use the scanners once more, don't know about the fax though..... I might have to dig about inside for that one.
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS! But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model. If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1. If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1. So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer). With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference! I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee. Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Back in May 2020 I bought a new HP Inkjet MFP. After 3 months (90 days on the dot to be exact) of installing cartridges (and 10 pages) it needed new ink! And no, I cannot just replace one of the cartridges, but had to replace all of them. And it was not a cheap machine, something like 199 EUR (would be around 199 USD in US, after taking account of VAT and conversion). Bought A Dell a Laser MFP 6 years back, and it stopped even scanning if it didn't have any ink. Bought a Brother Laser MFP for my parents last year, it needs a a suite for be able to print or scan. Doesn't matter if using cable or network. I try to buy SMB and Laser printer, had to buy HP Inkjet because it was the only one available at the time due to the pandemic. I think I am going to stay way from a printer for a while
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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So my venerable Samsung Wireless laser printer gave up the ghost. Time to shop. Brother - would never connect to my wireless network. Back it goes. Canon - had hopes for this but it turns out the office supply store has incomplete dimensional specs. The paper tray is not included in the depth measurement. Back it goes. HP MFP 140we - still has dimensions wrong, but not as badly as the canon. Unfortunately, it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing). It also appears (not well described on the outside of the box) that you have to pay a monthly fee to use your printer. Well, that is not elephanting happening.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I have a probably 20 year old HP Officejet 470 that keeps on trucking. And yeah, what is with this BS of having to be connected to the Internet, auto-subscribe to replacement ink, can't even get the printer installed without an Internet connection, and I want a cable as I don't do wireless at home and many of my friends don't either - it's all CAT 5 here. There's invasive, then there's mutant CRISPR gene splicing alien invasion invasive. That's what HP is now, and probably all the rest. :mad:
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The problem i had with epson, was the scanner. I got one of those multifunction jobs, and one day when it ran out of ink, I still had some scanning to do, but found the scanner wouldn't work until I replaced the ink. The problem with the ink however is this was now an unsupported model according to epson, so getting carts wasn't exactly easy. After a very heated debate over Twitter with epson customer service, I was basically told "that's the way they are designed, when the printer can print nothing else is enabled, suck it up and go but a new one" At the time all epson printer boxes proudly carried the "Green PC printer company, 3 years in a row" badge, and here they where telling me to throw out a fax machine and scanner that still worked. I did eventually buy a new one, or rather a relative did, as a surprise, and that was another epson, which a year later the heads gunned up on, could not be cleaned, and guess what else stopped working? 4 years down the line however, I now have a HP laser, which I've not had any issues with, and quite happily uses non HP toners too..... More interestingly though, I discovered an app for win, Linux and Mac called "naps2", this by-passes the disablement code in the epson printers allowing me to use the scanners once more, don't know about the fax though..... I might have to dig about inside for that one.
I ran into a similar issue with an HP printer at the office. It ran out of staples, and therefore would not copy, print, scan, or receive faxes until the staples were replaced, even though most of the jobs did not require staples. Of course, we didn't have any on hand. This is not a small home office machine but a professional laser printer as big as a washing machine.
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I ran into a similar issue with an HP printer at the office. It ran out of staples, and therefore would not copy, print, scan, or receive faxes until the staples were replaced, even though most of the jobs did not require staples. Of course, we didn't have any on hand. This is not a small home office machine but a professional laser printer as big as a washing machine.
