"Will Open Source Lose the Battle for the Web?"
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Just thought this was a good article on how the Open Source community needs to wake up and get real. Summary: This article argues that the shift towards Web services has reduced the attractiveness of the current generation of Open Source Web products. The only solution is for Open Source to adopt a Web services architecture, and fast. Fortunately, there is one at hand, and it's not dotGNU! Can the Open Sourcers wake up and save the world before it is too late? Read on to find out. Bottom line IMHO? : Open Source needs to realise that they cannot ride on Good Intentions much longer and that the real, rather insidious, world is actually important. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Just thought this was a good article on how the Open Source community needs to wake up and get real. Summary: This article argues that the shift towards Web services has reduced the attractiveness of the current generation of Open Source Web products. The only solution is for Open Source to adopt a Web services architecture, and fast. Fortunately, there is one at hand, and it's not dotGNU! Can the Open Sourcers wake up and save the world before it is too late? Read on to find out. Bottom line IMHO? : Open Source needs to realise that they cannot ride on Good Intentions much longer and that the real, rather insidious, world is actually important. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
To a degree, we are all open source supporters here. I have been reading a set of very interesting papers from OpenSource people talking about taking a real look at OpenSource without 'rose colored glasses'. The papers have impressed me in that they do point out all the problems while still supporting the movement. When I get home, I will post the URL. It was refreshing to read this stuff. Gave me new faith in the realistic capabilities of OpenSource. Tim Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Just thought this was a good article on how the Open Source community needs to wake up and get real. Summary: This article argues that the shift towards Web services has reduced the attractiveness of the current generation of Open Source Web products. The only solution is for Open Source to adopt a Web services architecture, and fast. Fortunately, there is one at hand, and it's not dotGNU! Can the Open Sourcers wake up and save the world before it is too late? Read on to find out. Bottom line IMHO? : Open Source needs to realise that they cannot ride on Good Intentions much longer and that the real, rather insidious, world is actually important. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
The fact that MS wants to control the internet (and access to it) is obvious. We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. That makes me quite uncomfortable.
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The fact that MS wants to control the internet (and access to it) is obvious. We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. That makes me quite uncomfortable.
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To a degree, we are all open source supporters here. I have been reading a set of very interesting papers from OpenSource people talking about taking a real look at OpenSource without 'rose colored glasses'. The papers have impressed me in that they do point out all the problems while still supporting the movement. When I get home, I will post the URL. It was refreshing to read this stuff. Gave me new faith in the realistic capabilities of OpenSource. Tim Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
..."rose colored glasses"... is exactly right. "To a degree, we are all open source supporters here."... I think deep down we all really want it this way, some of us just want others to realise that we have to be virtuos AND practical. Charity and goodwill only go so far. ..."they do point out all the problems while still supporting the movement"... the movement is still relatively young (though age does not guarantee peace ;) ) and I hope that it goes from strength to strength. Can't wait for that URL, interesting stuff :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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The fact that MS wants to control the internet (and access to it) is obvious. We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. That makes me quite uncomfortable.
We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. Yes, but that's not Microsoft's fault. The reason for this is because their Internet browsing software is far superior, and nobody else is challenging it (I mean, Netscape 6 is a joke). It's like saying "Oh, I don't like Keloggs because they have too much control over the cereal market", but the truth is, the reason they have this control is because they make cereals better than anyone else. Bad analagy I know but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
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Just thought this was a good article on how the Open Source community needs to wake up and get real. Summary: This article argues that the shift towards Web services has reduced the attractiveness of the current generation of Open Source Web products. The only solution is for Open Source to adopt a Web services architecture, and fast. Fortunately, there is one at hand, and it's not dotGNU! Can the Open Sourcers wake up and save the world before it is too late? Read on to find out. Bottom line IMHO? : Open Source needs to realise that they cannot ride on Good Intentions much longer and that the real, rather insidious, world is actually important. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
Author describes himself as "a devout follower of the pro-humanity Java-Linux religion". Sometimes I think they're taking it too seriously ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. Yes, but that's not Microsoft's fault. The reason for this is because their Internet browsing software is far superior, and nobody else is challenging it (I mean, Netscape 6 is a joke). It's like saying "Oh, I don't like Keloggs because they have too much control over the cereal market", but the truth is, the reason they have this control is because they make cereals better than anyone else. Bad analagy I know but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
I think your analogy was quite a good one, actually. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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Just thought this was a good article on how the Open Source community needs to wake up and get real. Summary: This article argues that the shift towards Web services has reduced the attractiveness of the current generation of Open Source Web products. The only solution is for Open Source to adopt a Web services architecture, and fast. Fortunately, there is one at hand, and it's not dotGNU! Can the Open Sourcers wake up and save the world before it is too late? Read on to find out. Bottom line IMHO? : Open Source needs to realise that they cannot ride on Good Intentions much longer and that the real, rather insidious, world is actually important. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
The author of this article criticize Apache without knowing what he's talking about. Apache has a lot evolved since two years. It has already support for SOAP => SOAP == Web Services. Have a look at xml.apache.org Have also a look at XMethods (that's the only web service directory which show the kind of HTTP server), you wil that there is already a lot of web services loacted on Appach servers... Serge
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We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. Yes, but that's not Microsoft's fault. The reason for this is because their Internet browsing software is far superior, and nobody else is challenging it (I mean, Netscape 6 is a joke). It's like saying "Oh, I don't like Keloggs because they have too much control over the cereal market", but the truth is, the reason they have this control is because they make cereals better than anyone else. Bad analagy I know but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
Where do you think all of this is going? It is said that IE 7 will display subliminal messages. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
Several points to consider really. I don't expect them to write .NET libraries for Linux themselves but why should they? However, they are making all the standards open so they aren't stopping anyone else from doing so. In fact, I seem to remember coming across a group who'd already started doing such a thing. Secondly, if there are no competitors that doesn't mean that they should stop trying to advance their technology. Many people seemed to think that they should've waited for the competition to catch up when it came to the browser wars - how riduculous is that? Thirdly - I hated Java to be frank - at least in terms of usage when downloading from the Internet. As a 56K dial-up modem user, I had to wait ages for applets to download. Most of the time I just couldn't be bothered. Maybe removing support for Newtscape style plugins is a bit of a tactical move, but it's not out of their bounds. I don't mean to make Microsoft completely innocent of ANY crimes, but I just think that people are way too quick to judge. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
>>... just like the monarchy, ... Her royal highness is not amused. Please do not associate the House Of Windsor with Netscape and/or Java. "Phillip, release the corgies ..." "On the tenth day, god and Bon Jovi settled out of court."
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> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was merely pointing out that they are helping devlopment on other platforms. The issue as stake was specifically regarding linux/unix and I jsut used BeOs as a run-in to my answer. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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>>... just like the monarchy, ... Her royal highness is not amused. Please do not associate the House Of Windsor with Netscape and/or Java. "Phillip, release the corgies ..." "On the tenth day, god and Bon Jovi settled out of court."
I didn't say which monarchy now did I? David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
Hey - don't knock the Amiga !! Actually I suspect the Amiga has MORE life than BeOS, it at least has zealots who support it without thought or reason. Never met a BeOS user, let alone zealot. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. The beauty of this is, M$ can CLAIM to have written .NET for BeOS, and who's gonna know if they did or not ? Have you ever met anyone who runs BeOS ? They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. Really ? You've not lived until you've visited a virtual arcade - 80's video games like Donkey Kong and Asteroids as Java Applets. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. On this I agree. As a former Netscape fan I must admit they dropped the ball long ago. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
