Windows 11, what a mess!
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
eveyrthing you said plus plus plus for the start menu. Very quickly I installed GitHub - valinet/ExplorerPatcher: This project aims to enhance the working environment on Windows[^] It keeps alot of Windows 11 stuff but allows you to customize the toolbar. As for the login. Just reimage with Winders Pro and you can then login with the business account. But that takes a moment and some skills. But it is a huge stinking pile isn't it.
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yacCarsten wrote:
A quick search shows it can still be changed.
Yeah, when you really know what you're doing and fancy going into the registry. And it might break applications (as is always the case when you go snooping around in the registry), according to another link I've found. This has never been a problem for me on Windows 10 :confused:
yacCarsten wrote:
The taskbar I believe you can fix.
I've googled, but same thing. Only when you want to make changes in the registry, and according to some sites not even that works anymore.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11.
Make sure you've got the 22H2 update, which should reenable start menu folders. It's not a perfect replacement for the Windows 10 menu, but it's better than the original release.
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
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I've installed Windows 11 v22H2 and the option to use a local account is still there. It's buried under the "Use a domain account" option.
Yeah, but I don't want a local account, I want to use my account that's connected to Visual Studio, my M365 Business License, Azure AD, etc. A local account would be a completely new account that I've never used before. I did find a way to also connect my business account though.
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Start11 allows separate icons per process on the taskbar if in Configure Start11 > Taskbar > Taskbar Buttons Should Be Combined to Never. It's cheap and might sort out some of your Start problems too (I hardly use Start, so cannot say).
Yeah, but it's sad we need a third party tool for this.
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The task bar registry changes no longer work. They worked for about the first six months of Windows 11 and then Microsoft disabled them via an update.
Because :elephant: you and your wishes to customize your OS to your own needs. Sounds more like AppleSoft to me :~
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And Win 11 updates will also REMOVE things it doesn't like. I prefer the old Win 7 pre-installed versions of card games (Solitaire etc) and keep them going. Win 11 updates remove them again. Thanks for that. They'll never get their filthy hands on my saved copy though ...
The more I hear about it... X| Maybe I should send it back and give the reason it's a DOA, came with pre-installed viruses :sigh:
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
you could just clone the hdd and try a windows 11 pro to windows 10 pro downgrade if you want...or go win22h2 update on the win 11 pro and wait till the next update you can seperately sign into vs /o365 etc regardless of you local on win 11 pro
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Because :elephant: you and your wishes to customize your OS to your own needs. Sounds more like AppleSoft to me :~
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Yeah, but I don't want a local account, I want to use my account that's connected to Visual Studio, my M365 Business License, Azure AD, etc. A local account would be a completely new account that I've never used before. I did find a way to also connect my business account though.
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you could just clone the hdd and try a windows 11 pro to windows 10 pro downgrade if you want...or go win22h2 update on the win 11 pro and wait till the next update you can seperately sign into vs /o365 etc regardless of you local on win 11 pro
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The more I hear about it... X| Maybe I should send it back and give the reason it's a DOA, came with pre-installed viruses :sigh:
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This thread confirms my opinion that MS does the Windows Vista insanity every few years I am still running Windows 7 64 bit Professional and often feel I should upgrade this conversation makes it clear NOT EVER Started with Windows 3.1 learned my lesson with Windows Me YES to DOA and pre-installed trash Best of Luck What brand Notebook did you purchase ?
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Use a local account for the main system and then add the additional accounts. That's what I've done.
That's so crazy it just might've worked :| Not going to change it now though :laugh:
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So, now even the youngings rebel?
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I've always been rebelling. Quietly. At home. On the couch. Vive la resistance!
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This thread confirms my opinion that MS does the Windows Vista insanity every few years I am still running Windows 7 64 bit Professional and often feel I should upgrade this conversation makes it clear NOT EVER Started with Windows 3.1 learned my lesson with Windows Me YES to DOA and pre-installed trash Best of Luck What brand Notebook did you purchase ?
Me always worked fine for me. Then again, I was only playing games back then :D Vista was an absolute train wreck. Windows 8 wasn't much better, but at least it had decent support. Windows 7 was great, but I must say Windows 10 is just a bit better. The start menu in 10 beats 7, and I think you need 10 for newer hardware and software. I mean, great as 7 was, it's already 13 years old! :omg: That said, Windows 7 and 10 are alike in a lot of ways. I think Microsoft wanted to play it safe after the Windows 8 catastrophe. So, if you're looking to update (you'll have to eventually) Windows 10 is a safe bet as far as I'm concerned :)
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This thread confirms my opinion that MS does the Windows Vista insanity every few years I am still running Windows 7 64 bit Professional and often feel I should upgrade this conversation makes it clear NOT EVER Started with Windows 3.1 learned my lesson with Windows Me YES to DOA and pre-installed trash Best of Luck What brand Notebook did you purchase ?
Oh, and I got a Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro by the way.
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
I have nothing constructive to add other than that's a bummer having to fight with your tools. It will take some time to find and get used to the new ways of doing things but you're young and bright! :laugh: I've not bought a laptop yet that came with an OS that didn't need upgrading or downgrading. Get a new SSD and put 10 Pro on it. Keep the old SSD just in case you decide you need to test in 11.
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So I got my new laptop yesterday and it has Windows 11 installed. First of all, I tried to sign in with my business email, as it's a business laptop. Impossible. This isn't something that's a problem with Windows 11, but with Microsoft in general. Microsoft accounts are a mess, like a huge stinking pile of manure. So I'm logged in with my personal account (I wonder how I'd do this for employees in the future) and I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro on my personal account. That Microsoft, the company for businesses, doesn't allow business accounts to log in is beyond me though. Now, I haven't actually used it yet (still downloading and installing all my stuff), but I already hate the new taskbar. I don't even mind that it's centered, but the only option for your applications is an icon with multiple instances of the same app grouped together. You can't see how many instances of Visual Studio are open and you need to hover first to select the one you want. That's an additional action each time I need to open or switch an app. This has been around for a long time, but you could always override this in settings to ungroup and show names too. No more overriding in Windows 11, this is it now. The start menu got a makeover too. Where I could group applications and even name those groups in Windows 10 (it did that really well!) it's down to just a list in Windows 11. I have about 35 apps pinned and grouped in Windows 10, the kind I use regularly, but not daily, easily accessible from my start menu. Well, goodbye to easy access. Oh yeah, I do get a whole bar of "recommended" apps that I don't want and I can make it a little smaller, but not remove it. The next issue I found, which is small, but so easy to do better, is your user folder. It's simply the first five letters of your name, so I'm "sande" now. No way to change this without going into regedit and hoping nothing will break (haven't changed it (yet)). Is this the 80's where we had to resort to cryptic naming to save some bytes? X| This is the thing I'm doing with Windows, logging in and opening and switching applications, and they've messed it up. I wonder what more I'll find, but I'm not convinced it will be for the better. Why!? Probably because it looks just a little bit more sleek. It's been form over function for many applications for years X| At least responses and performance seem to be great, but that's always been true for every freshly installed computer. If I didn't really need Windows for work I might've switched to Linux at
looks at new laptop running windows 11 - has 5 windows 10 vms on it... your starting post is almost an exact summary of my complaints. ms just crapping on itself for crapping sake. don't even get me started on all of the bs authentication nonsense.
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