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What Languages/Frameworks are Modern Commercial Windows Applications Made With?

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    With the hodgepodge of frameworks available to make Windows applications these days - MFC, WinForms, WPF, WinUI, UWP, MAUI, Blazor Hybrid - and that's just the ones made by Microsoft! - it's really difficult to know which are suitable for a modern commercial application. Rather than ask for recommendations or believe marketing hype, the best evidence for whether a framework or language is good is who's actually developing commercially successful applications with it. So what frameworks and languages are the big commercial shops using when publishing Windows applications these days? Specific applications I'd like to know about are - - Microsoft Office for Windows - this appears to be C++ with some kind of Javascript engine. There might be some .NET in there but it doesn't seem to be prevalent. I'm guessing they're using DirectComposition and have a homegrown control library that's completely untethered from the OS, but does anyone know for sure? - Adobe Suite - also appears to be C++, but I'm guessing they have some home-grown cross-platform framework that allows them to keep the Mac and Windows versions in sync easily. - Visual Studio IDE (not Code) - At one point this was WPF, but I can't tell what it is now. - Slack - Electron maybe? - Google Chrome - Obviously not .NET - guessing C++ and DirectComposition? Secondarily, I can't find any evidence that big commercial applications are actually written using any of the Microsoft frameworks that are publicly available, other than perhaps WPF. UWP, WinUI, and Blazor all seem to be commercially irrelevant as far as I can tell. Would love to hear evidence to the contrary though.

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      With the hodgepodge of frameworks available to make Windows applications these days - MFC, WinForms, WPF, WinUI, UWP, MAUI, Blazor Hybrid - and that's just the ones made by Microsoft! - it's really difficult to know which are suitable for a modern commercial application. Rather than ask for recommendations or believe marketing hype, the best evidence for whether a framework or language is good is who's actually developing commercially successful applications with it. So what frameworks and languages are the big commercial shops using when publishing Windows applications these days? Specific applications I'd like to know about are - - Microsoft Office for Windows - this appears to be C++ with some kind of Javascript engine. There might be some .NET in there but it doesn't seem to be prevalent. I'm guessing they're using DirectComposition and have a homegrown control library that's completely untethered from the OS, but does anyone know for sure? - Adobe Suite - also appears to be C++, but I'm guessing they have some home-grown cross-platform framework that allows them to keep the Mac and Windows versions in sync easily. - Visual Studio IDE (not Code) - At one point this was WPF, but I can't tell what it is now. - Slack - Electron maybe? - Google Chrome - Obviously not .NET - guessing C++ and DirectComposition? Secondarily, I can't find any evidence that big commercial applications are actually written using any of the Microsoft frameworks that are publicly available, other than perhaps WPF. UWP, WinUI, and Blazor all seem to be commercially irrelevant as far as I can tell. Would love to hear evidence to the contrary though.

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      XAML (WPF, UWP, WINxUI) does not appear to be going away. Pick a flavor and a device. Desktop, mobile, Xbox, all of the above, etc. Then use the corresponding (Visual Studio) project type(s).

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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        XAML (WPF, UWP, WINxUI) does not appear to be going away. Pick a flavor and a device. Desktop, mobile, Xbox, all of the above, etc. Then use the corresponding (Visual Studio) project type(s).

        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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        Peter Moore Chicago
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        Not at all what I'm asking.

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          With the hodgepodge of frameworks available to make Windows applications these days - MFC, WinForms, WPF, WinUI, UWP, MAUI, Blazor Hybrid - and that's just the ones made by Microsoft! - it's really difficult to know which are suitable for a modern commercial application. Rather than ask for recommendations or believe marketing hype, the best evidence for whether a framework or language is good is who's actually developing commercially successful applications with it. So what frameworks and languages are the big commercial shops using when publishing Windows applications these days? Specific applications I'd like to know about are - - Microsoft Office for Windows - this appears to be C++ with some kind of Javascript engine. There might be some .NET in there but it doesn't seem to be prevalent. I'm guessing they're using DirectComposition and have a homegrown control library that's completely untethered from the OS, but does anyone know for sure? - Adobe Suite - also appears to be C++, but I'm guessing they have some home-grown cross-platform framework that allows them to keep the Mac and Windows versions in sync easily. - Visual Studio IDE (not Code) - At one point this was WPF, but I can't tell what it is now. - Slack - Electron maybe? - Google Chrome - Obviously not .NET - guessing C++ and DirectComposition? Secondarily, I can't find any evidence that big commercial applications are actually written using any of the Microsoft frameworks that are publicly available, other than perhaps WPF. UWP, WinUI, and Blazor all seem to be commercially irrelevant as far as I can tell. Would love to hear evidence to the contrary though.

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          I think you need to define "big commercial" better, are you talking twatter, FB, and the host of social media or large corporates, banks, insurance etc?

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