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    megaadam
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    He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

    "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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      He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

      "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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      den2k88
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      Elonny got his gun. EDIT: well if he manages to cost big busck to Apple and possibly tear down them both in a suicidal attack I will :elephant:ing root for him.

      GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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        He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

        "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        If Elon (or anyone else) want to throw his/her money away, that is their privilege. I must say that I don't understand his recent decisions - both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase, and his gutting of the company after the purchase.

        Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          If Elon (or anyone else) want to throw his/her money away, that is their privilege. I must say that I don't understand his recent decisions - both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase, and his gutting of the company after the purchase.

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          megaadam
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          Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

          decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase,

          To be fair, he tried quite hard to back out of the whole deal. But then, after accepting that he couldn't exit, he entered kamikaze-mode.

          "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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            Elonny got his gun. EDIT: well if he manages to cost big busck to Apple and possibly tear down them both in a suicidal attack I will :elephant:ing root for him.

            GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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            trønderen
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            den2k88 wrote:

            Elonny got his gun

            If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)

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              den2k88 wrote:

              Elonny got his gun

              If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)

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              den2k88
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              trønderen wrote:

              If this is a reference to what I think it is

              It is. I watched the movie mostly thanks to Metallica's video of "One".

              trønderen wrote:

              And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black

              It is. I don't particularly care about being brutal or cruel when talking about some id-10t with too much money about to embark in a war against the world and end up dismantled (and I still hope he does it so that we can finally lose Tesla, Twitter and Apple in one fell swoop).

              GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                den2k88 wrote:

                Elonny got his gun

                If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)

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                megaadam
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                Ah! I've heard of that story but not the title. I went thinking of: Annie Get Your Gun

                "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                  He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

                  "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                  BryanFazekas
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                  I read an editorial that suggested Musk's plan, since he couldn't back out of the Twitter purchase, was to find evidence of malfeasance on the part of Twitter management, and sue them. While I don't see how he'd recoup $44B from that, this sounds like something he'd do. Regarding Apple, they are already the target regarding their practices, so Musk may be dog piling. Or maybe he believes there is collusion between the former Twitter management and Apple. Or Musk may simply have a screw loose. All of the above are not mutually exclusive. :laugh:

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                    den2k88 wrote:

                    Elonny got his gun

                    If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)

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                    Hmmm... I read the book 40+ years ago and saw the movie 30+ years ago but I seem to recall the ending a bit differently. Joe (not Johnny) was using morse code (banging his head on the pillow) but none of the doctors or nurses understood. After months of this he gives up. Later a new nurse writes "Merry Christmas" on his chest using normal letters. Joe understands and starts with the head banging again - soon she realizes what he's doing and gets a doctor. Again writing on his chest they ask him - "What do you want?" After a couple minutes he realizes that being blind, deaf, mute and quadriplegic limits his choices and decides he doesn't really want anything at all so he goes still and never communicates again.

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                      He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

                      "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                      fgs1963
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                      Apple's hypocrisy definitely needs to be exposed - Musk is just crazy enough to do it.

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                        Elonny got his gun. EDIT: well if he manages to cost big busck to Apple and possibly tear down them both in a suicidal attack I will :elephant:ing root for him.

                        GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                        We could only be so lucky.

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                          den2k88 wrote:

                          Elonny got his gun

                          If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)

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                          dandy72
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                          trønderen wrote:

                          If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun

                          And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun. :-)

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                            trønderen wrote:

                            If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun

                            And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun. :-)

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                            Ha! If you want an actual rock music reference to "Johnny Got His Gun" look no further than Metallica: One (Official Music Video) - YouTube[^]

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                              Ha! If you want an actual rock music reference to "Johnny Got His Gun" look no further than Metallica: One (Official Music Video) - YouTube[^]

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                              den2k88
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                              Hooooooold my breath

                              GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                trønderen wrote:

                                If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun

                                And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun. :-)

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                                k5054
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                                dandy72 wrote:

                                And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun

                                Me too. But somehow the thread title made me think of "Two Tribes" (Frankie Goes to Hollywood). Maybe a satirical version: When Elon Musk goes to war...

                                Keep Calm and Carry On

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                                  He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels

                                  "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                                  Kevin Marois
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                                  Are the lights still on over there??

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                    I read an editorial that suggested Musk's plan, since he couldn't back out of the Twitter purchase, was to find evidence of malfeasance on the part of Twitter management, and sue them. While I don't see how he'd recoup $44B from that, this sounds like something he'd do. Regarding Apple, they are already the target regarding their practices, so Musk may be dog piling. Or maybe he believes there is collusion between the former Twitter management and Apple. Or Musk may simply have a screw loose. All of the above are not mutually exclusive. :laugh:

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                                    jschell
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                                    BryanFazekas wrote:

                                    was to find evidence of malfeasance on the part of Twitter management, and sue them.

                                    The point of that was so he could use it to invalidate the purchase contract because the due diligence would then be fraudulent.

                                    BryanFazekas wrote:

                                    they are already the target regarding their practices, so Musk may be dog piling

                                    He just attacks people that do not agree with him.

                                    BryanFazekas wrote:

                                    have a screw loose.

                                    Perhaps megalomania.

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                                      Are the lights still on over there??

                                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                      Errr... Twitter usage is actually up since Musk took over.

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                                        dandy72 wrote:

                                        And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun

                                        Me too. But somehow the thread title made me think of "Two Tribes" (Frankie Goes to Hollywood). Maybe a satirical version: When Elon Musk goes to war...

                                        Keep Calm and Carry On

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                                        Slacker007
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                                        k5054 wrote:

                                        dandy72 wrote:And here I was thinking about Aerosmith's Janie's Got a Gun

                                        same here. some how the entire thread got overly serious.

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                                          If Elon (or anyone else) want to throw his/her money away, that is their privilege. I must say that I don't understand his recent decisions - both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase, and his gutting of the company after the purchase.

                                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                          Slacker007
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                                          Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                          both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase

                                          He did not want to go through with the purchase. The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract. He had no choice really. Now, as I have said before, he is sinking the ship, one way or another. Twitter is finished.

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