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  • C charlieg

    absolutely not - but that is the LOCAL level. For a state to go the the feds for other state' s money - yeah, it's a problem. Suppose my state doesn't fund properly because I know I can go for disaster relief? Stay in context.

    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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    You really don't get it. The scale doesn't matter when it goes for the benefit of all. Remind me again who voted to deny New England Superstorm Sandy relief? That's right, the Republicans. Who gets the lions share of disaster relief, year over year? The southern states, all Republican run. So, according to your model, the Republicans are the thieves? Interesting.

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    • C charlieg

      Ummm, no. I disagree completely with your assertion.

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      You're being lazy because you might find out you're wrong. https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/[^]

      Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
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        Quote:

        4. No politics (including enviro-politics[^]), no sex, no religion. This is a community for software development. There are plenty of other sites that are far more appropriate for these discussions.

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        ditto

        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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          You're being lazy because you might find out you're wrong. https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/[^]

          Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
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          charlieg
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          Not being lazy at all. I still find it hysterical that New York needs disaster assistance with a snow storm. The fed has grown so large and dominate that it's become ridiculous. But that wasn't the point of my original post.

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          • C charlieg

            Well, most of us call it winter and a bad storm. If you are the weather media, it becomes a "bomb cyclone", super hyped to drive up viewers, etc. And, what I find utterly absurd and sadly hilarious, the governor of New York has called the President to ask for a disaster declaration for federal funds. New York, you are welcome said the developer in Georgia. How a northern state has the hubris to declare a disaster from a snow storm baffles me.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            haughtonomous
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            Maybe the problem is it's the wrong kind of snow?

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            • H honey the codewitch

              Yep, taxes are theft. Give me freedom or give me roads! And now I'm done.

              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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              haughtonomous
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              And yet I expect you still use and give thanks for the infrastructure (roads, power lines, dams, water supply, hospitals, police and military etc) that those "stolen" taxes pay for?

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              • H haughtonomous

                And yet I expect you still use and give thanks for the infrastructure (roads, power lines, dams, water supply, hospitals, police and military etc) that those "stolen" taxes pay for?

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                honey the codewitch
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                You missed the sarcasm

                To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                • C charlieg

                  absolutely not - but that is the LOCAL level. For a state to go the the feds for other state' s money - yeah, it's a problem. Suppose my state doesn't fund properly because I know I can go for disaster relief? Stay in context.

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  haughtonomous
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                  And has never been more out of context....

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    You missed the sarcasm

                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                    haughtonomous
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                    Apologies. Yup, it sailed right over my head. Although on closer reading I think it was irony, not sarcasm, but as that sailed over my head too, I'm not going to argue the point!

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                    • H honey the codewitch

                      When people have to qualify history with extra adjectives I generally tune out. History is history. When people start claiming they have the one legitimate take it usually means they're running a con. Thomas Jefferson raped one of his slaves over the course of years. Claimed he was in love with her. They were sociopaths.

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      haughtonomous
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                      Different times. Condemning people for actions that were acceptable in their time but not now is a dangerous road to go down. If you allow that to become a norm you lay yourself wide open to the same treatment in your future....

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                        California and Illinois are financial (and political) messes. There is no denying that. Neither is on course to correct their issues but… Do yourself a favor and Google for a list of US states whose citizens pay more in federal taxes than their states receive back from the feds. California and Illinois have been in the top 5 for decades and decades. In other words… other states routinely have been taking their money for 40+ years. Think of this as simple payback.

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                        If states all received back what they pay in federal taxes the federal taxes would just be local taxes by another route. There's a clue in the name "United" States of America. "United" means inter alia helping each other, otherwise you may as well have 50 small countries each paying their own way, in global terms some moderately important, many insignificant.

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                        • H honey the codewitch

                          When people have to qualify history with extra adjectives I generally tune out. History is history. When people start claiming they have the one legitimate take it usually means they're running a con. Thomas Jefferson raped one of his slaves over the course of years. Claimed he was in love with her. They were sociopaths.

                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                          haughtonomous
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                          Different times. Condemning people for actions that were acceptable in their time but not now is a dangerous road to go down. If you allow that to become a norm you lay yourself wide open to the same treatment in your future....

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                          • H haughtonomous

                            Different times. Condemning people for actions that were acceptable in their time but not now is a dangerous road to go down. If you allow that to become a norm you lay yourself wide open to the same treatment in your future....

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            Well, I'm happy to judged on my merits and my flaws. Anyone that can look at another human being as subhuman is deeply messed up. I don't care what time period. Furthermore, these men had access to the same explicit frameworks of morality that I use. Jefferson even studied it explicitly. They all agonized and rationalized what they did with respect to slavery. In other words *they* knew it was wrong, and *they* did it anyway. Frankly, I'm not here for the knee jerk reverence of long dead monsters.

                            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                            • H haughtonomous

                              Different times. Condemning people for actions that were acceptable in their time but not now is a dangerous road to go down. If you allow that to become a norm you lay yourself wide open to the same treatment in your future....

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                              honey the codewitch
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                              Oh gosh, what am I doing? I said I wouldn't respond on this thread. I'm a bit sleepy right now, and forgetting myself (again). I'm out.

                              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                              • C charlieg

                                Not being lazy at all. I still find it hysterical that New York needs disaster assistance with a snow storm. The fed has grown so large and dominate that it's become ridiculous. But that wasn't the point of my original post.

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                Dave Kreskowiak
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                                By that logic, I hope you find it ridiculous that the southern states need help with hurricanes.

                                Asking questions is a skill CodeProject Forum Guidelines Google: C# How to debug code Seriously, go read these articles.
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                                • H haughtonomous

                                  If states all received back what they pay in federal taxes the federal taxes would just be local taxes by another route. There's a clue in the name "United" States of America. "United" means inter alia helping each other, otherwise you may as well have 50 small countries each paying their own way, in global terms some moderately important, many insignificant.

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                                  I agree 100% - which is why I was defending California & Illinois.

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                                  • H haughtonomous

                                    If states all received back what they pay in federal taxes the federal taxes would just be local taxes by another route. There's a clue in the name "United" States of America. "United" means inter alia helping each other, otherwise you may as well have 50 small countries each paying their own way, in global terms some moderately important, many insignificant.

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                                    0x01AA
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                                    Your statement makes a lot of sense and I agree 100%. But anyway, I think better not to reignite the fire here ;)

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                                    • H honey the codewitch

                                      When people have to qualify history with extra adjectives I generally tune out. History is history. When people start claiming they have the one legitimate take it usually means they're running a con. Thomas Jefferson raped one of his slaves over the course of years. Claimed he was in love with her. They were sociopaths.

                                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                      haughtonomous
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                                      That's an interesting Humpty Dumpty like interpretation of "sociopath". Here's a modern definition: "a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society" Whatever he was by 21C Western woke standards, by the standards of his day his behaviour wasn't considered unacceptable to that society, nor was it illegal so he wasn't a sociopath.

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                                      • H honey the codewitch

                                        When people have to qualify history with extra adjectives I generally tune out. History is history. When people start claiming they have the one legitimate take it usually means they're running a con. Thomas Jefferson raped one of his slaves over the course of years. Claimed he was in love with her. They were sociopaths.

                                        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                        haughtonomous
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                                        That's an interesting Humpty Dumpty like interpretation of "sociopath". Here's a modern definition: "a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society" Whatever he was by 21C Western woke standards, by the standards of his day his behaviour wasn't considered unacceptable to that society, nor was it illegal so he wasn't a sociopath.

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                                        • H honey the codewitch

                                          When people have to qualify history with extra adjectives I generally tune out. History is history. When people start claiming they have the one legitimate take it usually means they're running a con. Thomas Jefferson raped one of his slaves over the course of years. Claimed he was in love with her. They were sociopaths.

                                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                          That's an interesting Humpty Dumpty like interpretation of "sociopath". Here's a modern definition: "a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society" Whatever he was by 21C Western woke standards, by the standards of his day his behaviour wasn't considered unacceptable to that society, nor was it illegal so he wasn't a sociopath.

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