Silly psychology question (in fictional novel)
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May I say my two cents re/ psychology of fictional characters in particular as I see on TV shows e.g. "The Good Doctor" and many others. It is inevitable whilst a character in some difficulty a social compatriot will state "I'm here for you." I have absolutely no idea what that means. I am always irritated upon such . As for anger I also agree it occurs easily e.g. for TV characters . I assume writers insist on it for "drama" which also always irritates me as I enjoying nothing more then characters behaving in a logical manner which unfortunately does not occur too often . -Cheerio
A like minded soul it seems... a beer for you! :) At the risk of sounding old and curmudgeonly, I fear the quality of our TV shows and movie might have gone down over time... which in turn affect young writers. Though there is more variety of skill to be found in literature.
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Have often heard that anger is a manifestation of unfulfilled desires. Is it that these characters have a number of such unfulfilled desires so that anger comes naturally to them?
mmm.. perhaps... The author did reply to my comment saying there justification to come. I fear the author is just a young writer. While promising, his character writing could be improved...
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So I am angry but you are prejudiced? Why couldn't I also be prejudiced but not particularly angry, like you are instead, hey? I am thousands of kilometers from America. I am more sad for them than anything else, their society seems rife with internal conflict. Anyway whatever, not really addressing my question here, are you?! ;P
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Super Lloyd wrote:
prompt to anger and lash out first then, perhaps, think. Also generally having an angry mood.
Intermittent explosive disorder. One that I found.
Super Lloyd wrote:
alternatively sometimes somewhat absent minded going so far as staring blankly at an impending doom aiming right at them
Extreme depression. They want to die and just have not acted on it. I have seen criticism of the way in which disorders are defined in that the criteria are almost always subjective.
I guess it's just me overreacting. This kind of thing happen occasionally, I guess. This is not the kind of protagonist I am interested in though. And I have seen that in a few novels, to compound my disappointment.
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I don't take posts seriously that show blatant passive-aggressive hostility, while pretending to be calm. And the vast, vast majority of chats I've had with folks on CP has convinced me this is not the place for deep, intellectual, introspective type discussions. Most devs are not mature in the slightest you see, and the hallmark trait of maturity is introspection.
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mm.. if I understand your reaction, you don't care about my post but are still upset by my prejudice? well, since I am sure you don't really care that much about my prejudice anyway, I hope my worthless apology would suffice to cheer you up then?
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I have been reading lots of web novel of late on [Royal Road](https://www.royalroad.com/home).. and 2 things struck me as odd about characters psychology in those books. Okay admittedly they are fictional, but I imagine the psychology is somewhat authentic in the eye of the author perhaps? All of that to say, many characters are: 1. prompt to anger and lash out first then, perhaps, think. Also generally having an angry mood. 2. alternatively sometimes somewhat absent minded going so far as staring blankly at an impending doom aiming right at them The first one, about needless anger leave me particularly confused. Am I unnaturally calm? or are American always angry (I suspect they are, I have something against American to be honest)? Or maybe is it how people view teenagers? But perhaps that's just me, I couldn't even get angry during my one single fight I had when I was a teenager meself... The second is a bit less strange, although why not being angry enough to move hey? instead of just staring stupidly? What kind of author comes up with that for their characters?
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That's why we call them "fiction books". Because they are full of fictional characters. Exaggerated emotions. Artificially crafted situations. Made up conflicts. They are not mirroring the reality.
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mm.. if I understand your reaction, you don't care about my post but are still upset by my prejudice? well, since I am sure you don't really care that much about my prejudice anyway, I hope my worthless apology would suffice to cheer you up then?
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Sure...
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I always figured that if I can think of six stupid things a driver could do in an emergency, some daft bugger will do the seventh ... :sigh: It amazes me sometimes that people can have so little road sense: 70mph in thick fog, or on ice and snow; driving a couple of feet behind a lorry and then trying to overtake ...
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I know bikers that are equally dumb as the drivers you say, or even more. One of them a school pal, had an accident (and a guard angel). The accident was accelerating to 100+ km/h in a 50 km/h town main street after a roundabout, overtaking a bus in prohibited segment and hitting frontally a car that was correctly getting out the perpendicular street. The poor woman had serious anxious attacks due to the accident, although she had do nothing wrong. He flew around 25 meters and then landed on the asfalt. The doctors made 3 times the x-ray pics because they could not believe that he hadn't break anything. But his skin was totally sanded away, he looks like someone who escaped a fire in a building, burning himself the full body.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I know bikers that are equally dumb as the drivers you say, or even more. One of them a school pal, had an accident (and a guard angel). The accident was accelerating to 100+ km/h in a 50 km/h town main street after a roundabout, overtaking a bus in prohibited segment and hitting frontally a car that was correctly getting out the perpendicular street. The poor woman had serious anxious attacks due to the accident, although she had do nothing wrong. He flew around 25 meters and then landed on the asfalt. The doctors made 3 times the x-ray pics because they could not believe that he hadn't break anything. But his skin was totally sanded away, he looks like someone who escaped a fire in a building, burning himself the full body.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Oh yes. Or even dumber in some cases ... :sigh:
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That's why we call them "fiction books". Because they are full of fictional characters. Exaggerated emotions. Artificially crafted situations. Made up conflicts. They are not mirroring the reality.
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Sure... but the best authors have the most believable and compelling psychology for their characters. Meanwhile aspiring author aim to recreate this magic as well, at least I hope. However, these misguided and common failed attempt at it leave me confused. Is my psychology wrong? Are some common literary trope both too common and too bad for good literature to thrive? Such are the thing I wonder about...
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mmm.... in fact better than imagining it, you could simply read for yourself! :) It's a free web novel on Royal Road, have a go! :) [Awakening The Angel System (LITRPG): S1 The Great Escape | Royal Road](https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/60058/awakening-the-angel-system-litrpg-s1-the-great?review=1523049#review-1523049)
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Super Lloyd wrote:
better than imagining it, you could simply read for yourself!
The web is saturated with self-published books of all types, many novels so poorly written they can be called "penny dreadfuls," the kind of sensationalized low-fi novels for the working classes in England available dirt cheap om rag paper, I read literature by authors of major stature, like winners of the Nobel, Pulitzer, Booker, prizes, and books about consciousness, evolution, neurology, archaeology. Impaired vision and my own literary/technical activities limit my time for going off the rails on the web to visit the catacombs where the self-published stuff fills the caves. But, that's just me: whatever you enjoy and find entertain or meaningful is great,
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Super Lloyd wrote:
better than imagining it, you could simply read for yourself!
The web is saturated with self-published books of all types, many novels so poorly written they can be called "penny dreadfuls," the kind of sensationalized low-fi novels for the working classes in England available dirt cheap om rag paper, I read literature by authors of major stature, like winners of the Nobel, Pulitzer, Booker, prizes, and books about consciousness, evolution, neurology, archaeology. Impaired vision and my own literary/technical activities limit my time for going off the rails on the web to visit the catacombs where the self-published stuff fills the caves. But, that's just me: whatever you enjoy and find entertain or meaningful is great,
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
Oh well... perhaps this link will serve someone else looking for a free read then, lots of free novel on Royal Road! And no pressure, good to know literary entertainment is plentiful for you! :)
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That's why we call them "fiction books". Because they are full of fictional characters. Exaggerated emotions. Artificially crafted situations. Made up conflicts. They are not mirroring the reality.
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The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction needs to make sense. Though this has been largely abandoned by Hollywood.
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To preface I have no education even near either film or psychology and am purely playing armchair expert here :laugh: While often used as tool to increase tension and maybe prolong the moment to let the audience digest the gravity of the situation I wouldn't call it a wholly unnatural behaviour. Like deer in headlights I know I've more than once frozen up in moments of sudden danger so it is a thing. Though I'd expect people prone to danger, like fictional seasoned adventurers, would have trained themselves to overcome the "freeze" reaction in favour of actually moving out of harms way.
What gets me in these situations is when it's a "time to run away, fast" situation and the cast just stand around talking about how urgently they should take that action rather than actually running away and talking about it later in the pub. Another is when the hero is going to hold off the bad guys while the target/victim gets away. Said target always stands around saying things for several seconds (at least) instead of running away immediately - as a result the hero's actions are often wasted or made more difficult. :mad:
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I have been reading lots of web novel of late on [Royal Road](https://www.royalroad.com/home).. and 2 things struck me as odd about characters psychology in those books. Okay admittedly they are fictional, but I imagine the psychology is somewhat authentic in the eye of the author perhaps? All of that to say, many characters are: 1. prompt to anger and lash out first then, perhaps, think. Also generally having an angry mood. 2. alternatively sometimes somewhat absent minded going so far as staring blankly at an impending doom aiming right at them The first one, about needless anger leave me particularly confused. Am I unnaturally calm? or are American always angry (I suspect they are, I have something against American to be honest)? Or maybe is it how people view teenagers? But perhaps that's just me, I couldn't even get angry during my one single fight I had when I was a teenager meself... The second is a bit less strange, although why not being angry enough to move hey? instead of just staring stupidly? What kind of author comes up with that for their characters?
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There's an interesting channel on youtube by a man called 'The Critical Drinker' who reviews movies and tv series, and laments the lack of good writing in many projects. In one of them he contrasts Star Trek TNG with more recent offerings ("They're written by children"). He contrasts a conflict in TNG where the characters act like adults who have been trained for positions of high responsibility, vs a knock-down tantrum and brawl on the bridge of the Enterprise in a more recent show. He's quite entertaining, and I've enjoyed a number of movies he recommends that I otherwise would have missed.
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That's why we call them "fiction books". Because they are full of fictional characters. Exaggerated emotions. Artificially crafted situations. Made up conflicts. They are not mirroring the reality.
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There's an interesting channel on youtube by a man called 'The Critical Drinker' who reviews movies and tv series, and laments the lack of good writing in many projects. In one of them he contrasts Star Trek TNG with more recent offerings ("They're written by children"). He contrasts a conflict in TNG where the characters act like adults who have been trained for positions of high responsibility, vs a knock-down tantrum and brawl on the bridge of the Enterprise in a more recent show. He's quite entertaining, and I've enjoyed a number of movies he recommends that I otherwise would have missed.
Hey, I watched a few of his video myself! he might be onto something. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether it's typical human nostalgia or real trend, particularly for something as subjective and vague as "good writing", but I think this might be true...
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Hey, I watched a few of his video myself! he might be onto something. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether it's typical human nostalgia or real trend, particularly for something as subjective and vague as "good writing", but I think this might be true...
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It's interesting to look at the films he likes. It doesn't seem to be curmudgeonly complaining. I think he's a published action novelist, so he's probably approaching things from a writerly angle.
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I don't take posts seriously that show blatant passive-aggressive hostility, while pretending to be calm. And the vast, vast majority of chats I've had with folks on CP has convinced me this is not the place for deep, intellectual, introspective type discussions. Most devs are not mature in the slightest you see, and the hallmark trait of maturity is introspection.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And the vast, vast majority of chats I've had with folks on CP has convinced me this is not the place for deep, intellectual, introspective type discussions.
Versus which site where they do that?
Unfortunately, none of them. :^)
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