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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    Obligatory XKCD[^]. :-D


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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    den2k88
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    I knew that strip and shamelessly took inspiration from it :D also there is (was?) an old small package in the Debian repository to keep the CPU usage high to muddle employer surveillance based on CPU load. That was my second source of inspiration. As somebody else stated, I brought "quiet quitting" to an art form - though not really, there are people much better (worse?) than me in that regard.

    GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Slacker007 wrote:

      Most people need to start going back to the office, really.

      Or better, develop a work ethic? :-D

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Slacker007
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      OriginalGriff wrote:

      develop a work ethic?

      I don't think that is possible after a certain age. I do believe most adults need to be baby sat by their employers.

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Woman ordered to repay employer after software shows ‘time theft’ | Canada | The Guardian[^] I can understand why they put it on there, but it left her without a leg to stand on.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Cpichols
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        We do daily stand-ups where we tell what we worked on yesterday, what's on tap for today, and anything that might block progress. Better than any tracking software and a whole lot less offensive.

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          OriginalGriff wrote:

          develop a work ethic?

          I don't think that is possible after a certain age. I do believe most adults need to be baby sat by their employers.

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          milo xml
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          I personally would have a hard time working from home. Too many distractions and I wouldn't get my work done, at least during regular hours. At the end of the day though, you're paid to complete objectives, it really doesn't matter where it's done and some people are more productive during non standard working hours so working from home can be a boon for those people. It should be immediately apparent to management who's not completing their objectives on time and address those people as needed.

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            OriginalGriff wrote:

            develop a work ethic?

            I don't think that is possible after a certain age. I do believe most adults need to be baby sat by their employers.

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            Mark Starr
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            Yep. And most citizens needs to be babysat by their governments. :) It’s called ‘being human.’ Sorry to rant.

            Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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              I personally would have a hard time working from home. Too many distractions and I wouldn't get my work done, at least during regular hours. At the end of the day though, you're paid to complete objectives, it really doesn't matter where it's done and some people are more productive during non standard working hours so working from home can be a boon for those people. It should be immediately apparent to management who's not completing their objectives on time and address those people as needed.

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              Mark Starr
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              Perhaps for some people it’d be difficult. I had no problem with it, but I did it in my 50s, after I’d already developed a distinction between work time and other. As for it being “immediately apparent to management,” it’s not always easy when developing software to fit the work into easily-measurable metrics: a roadblock over a day or two may resolve shortly after, leading to a productive sprint. Or it may not resolve. I don’t know… just offering my own perspective. :sigh:

              Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                Obligatory XKCD[^]. :-D


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                BBar2
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                Love the compiling cartoon! My office mate and I used to throw six darts during project builds. We threw for bullseyes, and counted them on our white board. We ended up with so many tick marks, that we started tracking delta bulls eyes to avoid questions about all the tick marks stacking up through out the week. We got really good at darts, and built a really cool project. Too much fun.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Woman ordered to repay employer after software shows ‘time theft’ | Canada | The Guardian[^] I can understand why they put it on there, but it left her without a leg to stand on.

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  obermd
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                  If this software was on a company owned laptop, that's one thing. If a company put software like this on my personal laptop and didn't offer me a company laptop I'd be suing them under any number of laws governing the unauthorized use of computer systems.

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                  • C Cpichols

                    We do daily stand-ups where we tell what we worked on yesterday, what's on tap for today, and anything that might block progress. Better than any tracking software and a whole lot less offensive.

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                    Shaun Good 2021
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                    Working remotely takes some discipline. Some of us I guess are just not capable of being disciplined. I have worked remotely for a few years of my career (pre-pandemic) as well as currently using a hybrid model (remote 3 days per week). I have a separate room I call my office and work during work hours without distractions. Not an issue for me. Perhaps those who have never worked remotely before, this is a big challenge.

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                    • S Shaun Good 2021

                      Working remotely takes some discipline. Some of us I guess are just not capable of being disciplined. I have worked remotely for a few years of my career (pre-pandemic) as well as currently using a hybrid model (remote 3 days per week). I have a separate room I call my office and work during work hours without distractions. Not an issue for me. Perhaps those who have never worked remotely before, this is a big challenge.

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                      Cpichols
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                      I'm a boomer, so work discipline was cooked into my DNA.

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                      • M milo xml

                        I personally would have a hard time working from home. Too many distractions and I wouldn't get my work done, at least during regular hours. At the end of the day though, you're paid to complete objectives, it really doesn't matter where it's done and some people are more productive during non standard working hours so working from home can be a boon for those people. It should be immediately apparent to management who's not completing their objectives on time and address those people as needed.

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                        darktrick544
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                        I agree with this. It was impossible for me to be anywhere near as productive working remote compare to in the office. After 2 days, I opted to go back to the office, which was nice as 99.99% of the people in my building were remote.

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                          I personally would have a hard time working from home. Too many distractions and I wouldn't get my work done, at least during regular hours. At the end of the day though, you're paid to complete objectives, it really doesn't matter where it's done and some people are more productive during non standard working hours so working from home can be a boon for those people. It should be immediately apparent to management who's not completing their objectives on time and address those people as needed.

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                          JasonGarcia
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                          Unfortunately, most management these days, are old fashion minded and not ready for remote administration of personnel, so not just the employees are at fault when remote work doesn't play well for them; managers are not able to, or don't know how to manage by goals and remote assets. Most of the time it is related to poor administrative skills and organization to measure goals/tasks. Personally it is the complete opposite for me, I get distracted by uninvited bypassers that want their stuff done NOW, ambient chat or noise, and many other environmental factors. Again, poor organizational rules in place. I get more focused on my own space, with my own equipment (company stuff is bare minimum), and with my own ambient set for my tasks, and like that I also don't distract others. Each case is different I guess.

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                            Yep. And most citizens needs to be babysat by their governments. :) It’s called ‘being human.’ Sorry to rant.

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                            Karri Kalpio
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                            Actually, most governments needs to be babysat by their citizens. It’s called ‘Democracy'.

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                            • K Karri Kalpio

                              Actually, most governments needs to be babysat by their citizens. It’s called ‘Democracy'.

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                              Mark Starr
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                              Oh, I agree. But in reality that’s not the direction it’s going. :)

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                                Perhaps for some people it’d be difficult. I had no problem with it, but I did it in my 50s, after I’d already developed a distinction between work time and other. As for it being “immediately apparent to management,” it’s not always easy when developing software to fit the work into easily-measurable metrics: a roadblock over a day or two may resolve shortly after, leading to a productive sprint. Or it may not resolve. I don’t know… just offering my own perspective. :sigh:

                                Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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                                SeattleC
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                                I agree. Probably easier to work at home once you've learned to work at the office under the possibility of supervision. Way too much temptation if you have not.

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                                  I agree with this. It was impossible for me to be anywhere near as productive working remote compare to in the office. After 2 days, I opted to go back to the office, which was nice as 99.99% of the people in my building were remote.

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                                  milo xml
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                                  That must have been nice to have an empty office. :-D

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                                    That must have been nice to have an empty office. :-D

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                                    darktrick544
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                                    It really was. Unfortunately for me, I read the book World War Z over a couple days lunch and break time and it totally weirded me out. I'd walk outside and no cars, no one walking, no one in the building. Poor choice of reading material during a pandemic. Otherwise, it was a very productive time, haha.

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                                      I'm a boomer, so work discipline was cooked into my DNA.

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                                      jochance
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                                      I think really liking what I do masquerades for ultra work ethic. The bits of it I detest, I'll procrastinate over in a cubicle every bit as much as from my home office.

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                                      • S Slacker007

                                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                                        develop a work ethic?

                                        I don't think that is possible after a certain age. I do believe most adults need to be baby sat by their employers.

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                                        dandy72
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                                        Slacker007 wrote:

                                        I don't think that is possible after a certain age.

                                        More like you either have it, or you don't.

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                                          We do daily stand-ups where we tell what we worked on yesterday, what's on tap for today, and anything that might block progress. Better than any tracking software and a whole lot less offensive.

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                                          dandy72
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                                          We do exactly this. Well, the standups are 5- (10?) minute audio calls early in the morning over Teams. I've been working there here remotely since 2007, and using this simple method, the slackers stick out like sore thumbs.

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