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VS 2022 is not C friendly

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  • J jmaida

    I do not like to argue all day long. I am looking for helpful input. I have received it and I have taking everyone's advice, but I still cannot get VS to behave. Frustrating. OK. You can call it ranting. So what. I am an extremely experienced C programmer (I have also written code in C, Fortran, Cobol, Algol, PL/I ...) as well. Writing C code since K&R first publication, so feel qualified to complain. I am retired now and doing some experimenting using GLFW's VS libraries to facilitate porting a large body of work to VS for programmers at a former employer. I will calmly say VS is not a user/programmer friendly application. I have used it on and off since it first came out and it keeps getting worse. But I will solve this problem.

    "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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    Jeremy Falcon
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    Ok... whatever.

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    • J Jeremy Falcon

      Ok... whatever.

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      jmaida
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      I guess you are the whatever type. :)

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      • J jmaida

        I guess you are the whatever type. :)

        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

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        • J Jeremy Falcon

          I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

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          jmaida
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          I am robot.

          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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          • J Jeremy Falcon

            I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

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            jmaida
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            whatever

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            • J Jeremy Falcon

              I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

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              jmaida
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              Yes. not charade

              "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

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                jmaida
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                Roy Head - Treat Her Right - clean audio - YouTube[^]

                "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  I guess you lack the self-awareness to see you proved my point about you looking to rant and argue. Since I know you're going to reply and continue this charade, you can have the last post. Still won't have the solution though.

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  jmaida
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                  Looking for a job? Never mind you already work for MS.

                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                  • L Lost User

                    jmaida wrote:

                    #include <glfw glfw3.h=""> fails not matter how I reference that the directory it is located in. D:\code\glfw3.3.8\include NOT A TYPO ANYWHERE

                    Apart from the fact that the include statement is totally incorrect. And again, that is nothing to do with Visual Studio, but one for the compiler. Well, strictly speaking, it's the preprocessor, but we'll let that pass.

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                    jmaida
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                    #include is what editor to lounge did. Not me #include is what was supposed to be sent. Something was awry.

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                    • J Jeremy Falcon

                      You can link to static lib from a static lib in VS in C. I've done it, but I'm not gonna tell you how. Why? Because of your attitude. Life's too short. Keep on Googling.

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                      jmaida
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                      Done that, too. This is another problem related to compilation and include files.

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                      • J Jeremy Falcon

                        David O'Neil wrote:

                        If you selected 'static library project' it is set to CREATE a static library

                        Home dude isn't here to learn. He's here to rant.

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                        jmaida
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                        BS. Not true.

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                        • P Paul Michalik

                          A static library cannot use another static library. What exactly do you mean? Honestly VS is perfectly fine, it's, as almost always, the users... :laugh:

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                          jmaida
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                          It's another problem related to include files and VS. Not static linking with static. Sorry premature conclusion.

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                          • J Jeremy Falcon

                            Try again, you can still write a static lib in C in VS2022. You don't need to use pragmas either. While I'm not a fan of VS these days as it's too bloated, at least be fair and do the research before saying something sucks because it can't do something - when it can. We're supposed to be mature professionals. Supposed to be...

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                            jmaida
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                            Did that. Judge not.

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                            • D David ONeil

                              Python.

                              Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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                              Ralf Quint
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                              Python?!? Hell no! But there are much better tools out there than VS, specially if one is interested in programming just in C, without any of those C++isms...

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                              • J jmaida

                                Code Blocks is more straight forward

                                "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                Ralf Quint
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                                If you want to do JUST C, try taking a look at Pelle's C. None of the C++ stuff, just by default, compliant with the latest C standard. Freeware, but not Open Source. But certainly the price tag fits...

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                                • J jmaida

                                  Ah Turbo C. I miss thee.

                                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                  Ralf Quint
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                                  Well, if you're used to Turbo C, try Embarcadero C++Builder, though I personally don't like the price tags anymore... That's why I switched for my daily programming work to FreePascal+Lazarus instead of Delphi more than a decade ago.

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                                  • J jmaida

                                    doing so as we espeak. BTW reading your article too.

                                    "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                    Here is a suggestion. Stop ranting about something you are having problems with. Go to https://www.codeproject.com/Questions/ask.aspx[^] and post the full details, so people can try to help you. And make sure you check what you post, so you can fix any typos, and ensure that all code snippets are surrounded by the appropriate <pre> tags so it is readable, like:

                                    #include "somefile.h"
                                    int main()
                                    {
                                    printf("Hello, World!");

                                    return 0;
                                    

                                    }

                                    Tags used in the above case are: <pre lang="C++"> and </pre>

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                                    • J jmaida

                                      #include is what editor to lounge did. Not me #include is what was supposed to be sent. Something was awry.

                                      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                      Well you could have used the Edit button below the message to correct it.

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                                      • R Ralf Quint

                                        Python?!? Hell no! But there are much better tools out there than VS, specially if one is interested in programming just in C, without any of those C++isms...

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                                        jschell
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                                        Ralf Quint wrote:

                                        But there are much better tools out there than VS

                                        Bash scripts and make?

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                                        • J jschell

                                          Ralf Quint wrote:

                                          But there are much better tools out there than VS

                                          Bash scripts and make?

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                                          Ralf Quint
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                                          No bash, and no make, if one can avoid it. But for C programming, as per original post, there's for example Pelle's C, which is not only a fraction of the size of VS, but also Freeware. Commercially, then there is Embarcadero's Delphi/C++Builder/RAD Studio, and FreePascal/Lazarus are an Open Source Object Pascal option. All of those are smaller and easier to use than VS. But it seems that some people just stick to VS because of their masochistic tendencies, just like a lot of macOS users think they just have to punish themselves by using XCode...

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