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Is bug reporting on the way out as dodo bird?

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  • M Marc Clifton

    As long as there are customers, there will bug reports. Don't see AI being involved in this at all except to possibly weed out actual bugs from the growing geriatric population of users that make mistakes. :laugh:

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    Daniel Pfeffer
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    Do we really need AI to code something like:

    void insert_bug_report(bug const& bug_report)
    {
    if (user_age > GERIATRIC)
    {
    send_reply("ID10T error!");
    }
    else
    {
    add_bug_to_database(bug_report);
    }
    }

    (With apologies to all the oldsters who haven't reached their dotage)

    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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    • D Daniel Pfeffer

      Do we really need AI to code something like:

      void insert_bug_report(bug const& bug_report)
      {
      if (user_age > GERIATRIC)
      {
      send_reply("ID10T error!");
      }
      else
      {
      add_bug_to_database(bug_report);
      }
      }

      (With apologies to all the oldsters who haven't reached their dotage)

      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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      jmaida
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      Replace send_reply("ID10T error!"); with Replace send_reply("OLD FART FAULT");

      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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      • L Lost User

        With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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        jmaida
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        Bug reporting is human nature (born to complain) and/or divine intervention (killer bugs).

        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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        • J jmaida

          Replace send_reply("ID10T error!"); with Replace send_reply("OLD FART FAULT");

          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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          englebart
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          Said the AI?

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          • D Daniel Pfeffer

            Do we really need AI to code something like:

            void insert_bug_report(bug const& bug_report)
            {
            if (user_age > GERIATRIC)
            {
            send_reply("ID10T error!");
            }
            else
            {
            add_bug_to_database(bug_report);
            }
            }

            (With apologies to all the oldsters who haven't reached their dotage)

            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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            englebart
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            The AI covered its a$$ by hiding the GERIATRIC constant in a header file no person will find. Except me… the value was 0!

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              Said the AI?

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              jmaida
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              Said who?

              "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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              • E englebart

                The AI covered its a$$ by hiding the GERIATRIC constant in a header file no person will find. Except me… the value was 0!

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                jmaida
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                AI (Ai) has a biblical meaning as "ruined heap". Yikes.

                "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                • J jmaida

                  Said who?

                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                  englebart
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                  Your suggestion looked like it was generated by AI ! An age biased AI

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                  • J jmaida

                    AI (Ai) has a biblical meaning as "ruined heap". Yikes.

                    "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                    englebart
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                    So “Ai Ai, Captain” can be considered insubordination?

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                    • E englebart

                      Your suggestion looked like it was generated by AI ! An age biased AI

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                      jmaida
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                      LOL. Just wanted the record to be more precise. :)

                      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                      • E englebart

                        So “Ai Ai, Captain” can be considered insubordination?

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                        jmaida
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                        LOL, :) Hadn't thought of that. So many nautical terms. Yo Ho Ho.

                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                        • L Lost User

                          With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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                          Wizard of Sleeves
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                          Not so sure about the dodo [^]

                          Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth. To err is human, to arr is pirate.

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                          • L Lost User

                            With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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                            Paul Sanders the other one
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                            Erm, no

                            Paul Sanders. If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal. Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.

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                            • L Lost User

                              With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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                              Kate X257
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                              Really hope AI replaces bug triage soon. For the last 5 days, I've been trying to get Microsoft to fix a bug with winget, and it's a relatively simple one: some packages can't be installed. During 2 days of triage, it was cleared up that the -e flag stopped working, and that their fuzzy matching just isn't reliable. Fine. I ask them to fix the -e flag, but for days they keep hammering on about their fuzzy matching. I don't want fuzzy matching, I want an -e flag that works. Who the heck does orchestration scripts based on fuzzy matching? It's a 1 step repro. Why is this so hard? It's been driving me up the walls.

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                              • K k5054

                                Considering that the dodo may be on the way back [Gene editing company hopes to bring dodo ‘back to life’ | Extinct wildlife | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jan/31/gene-editing-company-hopes-to-bring-dodo-back-to-life) that may not be a good example, anymore. But no, bug reports will still need to be made. Bugs will still occur, some of them will be potentially catastrophic (what do you mean, the plane tried to land 2 meters below the runway???). So bug reporting will still be needed. AI might be able help narrow down the nature and/or location of the bug, maybe even one day correct the bug, but for now, as others here and in other locations have noted AI is very poor AI at writing code. I can't imagine it would do any better at fixing bugs. And companies producing software will still be liable.

                                Keep Calm and Carry On

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                                haughtonomous
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                                A "meter" is a device that measures something. A "metre" is a distance of about three feet, or 1000 millimetres.

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                                • J jmaida

                                  Replace send_reply("ID10T error!"); with Replace send_reply("OLD FART FAULT");

                                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                  haughtonomous
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                                  Disparaging remarks about older people is just childish. What do you want to be when you grow up?

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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                                    maze3
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                                    it is not if the product is implemented EXACTLY and flawlessly on WHAT the client has asked for but works how they NEED it to work "its not doing as I asked it do to it" 🙄

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Try solving your next question with ChatGPT and you will get a reasonable idea of the answer.

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                                      haughtonomous
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                                      Some humans are hopeless at writing code, most are barely adequate and some are brilliant at it. The same will apply to AI systems. The first few have been rushed into service by suits who want to test the water (and maybe make a few quick bucks), but I have no doubt that in time there will be specialist code-writing AI systems, trained to do that job, that will work very well. Equally AI debugging systems trained to do that will also emerge. But I question whether the present crop can be called "intelligence". They do not think, they repeat what they have been "taught". They are just moderately sophisticated computer programs. When asking the same question or setting the same task repeatedly returns better and better answers (confirming that the system is actually considering previous answers and thinking a bit more about it), and showing signs of imagination in their thinking, only then will I consider the label "AI" appropriate.

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                                        With proliferation of "AI" - is bug reporting DEFINITELY and REALLY useless ? AKA "who cares ".....

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                                        JohaViss61
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                                        AI is created by a species that hardly can be considered themselves. How can you trust AI when it is created by people that still fight wars, discriminate, and basically did not evolve since the stone age.

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          As long as there are customers, there will bug reports. Don't see AI being involved in this at all except to possibly weed out actual bugs from the growing geriatric population of users that make mistakes. :laugh:

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                                          Gary Wheeler
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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          As long as there are customers, there will bug reports

                                          Agreed. Users want to get the job done, and they don't care what your application's problem is. They ignore warning messages, and complain when the warning condition turns into an error. Any 'obstruction' to getting their work done becomes a bug report. I've had customers complain that we didn't stop them from doing a thing, and then bitched about the fact we wouldn't let them do it after we 'fixed' it.

                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          the growing geriatric population of users that make mistakes

                                          Harrumph. I resemble that re[Marc]. :-D

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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