Just upgraded my PCs SSD
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From 120GB to 480GB. :jig: Lots of space now. The old one had ~20GB left, with most of the used space being Windows. New one has 350GB left.
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From 120GB to 480GB. :jig: Lots of space now. The old one had ~20GB left, with most of the used space being Windows. New one has 350GB left.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
Lots of spacewasters on Windows that can go onto a normal 1Tb drive. Temp drive, downloads, docs. ..still trying to get 5 USB3 keys to run as raid5.
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Lots of spacewasters on Windows that can go onto a normal 1Tb drive. Temp drive, downloads, docs. ..still trying to get 5 USB3 keys to run as raid5.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
I do have a 1TB data drive, though I was having trouble getting Windows to actually put some folders there (e.g. Downloads, Documents). Might have been a bug in the version I was using at that time. I do have several other programs pointed to it for data.
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From 120GB to 480GB. :jig: Lots of space now. The old one had ~20GB left, with most of the used space being Windows. New one has 350GB left.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
Wondering the same for my pc, except using an M2 SSD instead of a normal SSD, but is it really wort it?
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Wondering the same for my pc, except using an M2 SSD instead of a normal SSD, but is it really wort it?
Depends. Does your motherboard have an M2 connector? They are more expensive - quite a bit - but they are faster - again, quite a bit. Either way, go as big as you can: because of how they work larger drives last longer, with the same amount of data. It you don't have a lot of free space, then you are using he same cells over and over - and that pushes the life down lots as each cell has a finite number of writes before it breaks.
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Depends. Does your motherboard have an M2 connector? They are more expensive - quite a bit - but they are faster - again, quite a bit. Either way, go as big as you can: because of how they work larger drives last longer, with the same amount of data. It you don't have a lot of free space, then you are using he same cells over and over - and that pushes the life down lots as each cell has a finite number of writes before it breaks.
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It does have an M2 connector, but Im wondering if it is advantageous to put the operating system on that one. Or does that not matter? More is more when it comes to storage :laugh:
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It does have an M2 connector, but Im wondering if it is advantageous to put the operating system on that one. Or does that not matter? More is more when it comes to storage :laugh:
It's not just "more is more", it's "writes wear it out": if you have 100GB on a 128Gb drive, there are only 28GB of cells that get written to when there are changes. For a 1TB drive with 100GB on it, there are 900GB of cells to rotate through as data changes. Since each cell has a fixed number of writes, the smaller drive will wear out much more quickly as cells fail. Stick the OS and Apps on the fast expensive drive, and data that changes on cheaper, slower drives. Needless to say, back the buggers up! :laugh:
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It's not just "more is more", it's "writes wear it out": if you have 100GB on a 128Gb drive, there are only 28GB of cells that get written to when there are changes. For a 1TB drive with 100GB on it, there are 900GB of cells to rotate through as data changes. Since each cell has a fixed number of writes, the smaller drive will wear out much more quickly as cells fail. Stick the OS and Apps on the fast expensive drive, and data that changes on cheaper, slower drives. Needless to say, back the buggers up! :laugh:
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From my point of view you are speculating very much. You mention 'Since each cell has a fixed number of writes....' Please define that more specific ;P
Actually, he's not. :) SSD memory cells can only handle so many writes - a lot of them, but there is a limit. See this: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNET[^] with that in mind, the controller on the SSD (as well as any other persistent silicon storage) does the job of wear levelling. Because this controller exists, we no longer need to defrag SSD drives. Eventually, cells on the device will fail, and the controller marks them as bad and doesn't attempt to use them. Years ago, when I converted to SSD, I dug into this area, as I was skeptical about how long an SSD would last. The math I worked out was something like 8 years, longer than the life span of the laptop.
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Actually, he's not. :) SSD memory cells can only handle so many writes - a lot of them, but there is a limit. See this: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNET[^] with that in mind, the controller on the SSD (as well as any other persistent silicon storage) does the job of wear levelling. Because this controller exists, we no longer need to defrag SSD drives. Eventually, cells on the device will fail, and the controller marks them as bad and doesn't attempt to use them. Years ago, when I converted to SSD, I dug into this area, as I was skeptical about how long an SSD would last. The math I worked out was something like 8 years, longer than the life span of the laptop.
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Nice explanation! :thumbsup: I did the same research when I bought my first, and that's why I got a 1TB SSD for OS / Apps and (still) use a 1TB HDD data drive. It also reduces the amount of data I need to backup, which helps.
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Actually, he's not. :) SSD memory cells can only handle so many writes - a lot of them, but there is a limit. See this: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNET[^] with that in mind, the controller on the SSD (as well as any other persistent silicon storage) does the job of wear levelling. Because this controller exists, we no longer need to defrag SSD drives. Eventually, cells on the device will fail, and the controller marks them as bad and doesn't attempt to use them. Years ago, when I converted to SSD, I dug into this area, as I was skeptical about how long an SSD would last. The math I worked out was something like 8 years, longer than the life span of the laptop.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Nice explanation! :thumbsup: I did the same research when I bought my first, and that's why I got a 1TB SSD for OS / Apps and (still) use a 1TB HDD data drive. It also reduces the amount of data I need to backup, which helps.
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As far as I am aware, the laws of physics haven't changed in the last 7 years. The detailed numbers may be different (hopefully better) with improvements in processing, but the fundamental principle remains. SSD cells wear out. The controller does a good job load levelling. But eventually it runs out of good cells.
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It does have an M2 connector, but Im wondering if it is advantageous to put the operating system on that one. Or does that not matter? More is more when it comes to storage :laugh:
Kenneth Haugland wrote:
but Im wondering if it is advantageous to put the operating system on that one. Or does that not matter?
Oh yes... It is a boost on speed. Moving data faster is something I wouldn't miss that much, but other things that require reading / writing (i.e. compiling) is a noticable difference.
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As far as I am aware, the laws of physics haven't changed in the last 7 years. The detailed numbers may be different (hopefully better) with improvements in processing, but the fundamental principle remains. SSD cells wear out. The controller does a good job load levelling. But eventually it runs out of good cells.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
And at least as they fail, you can monitor the "quality" and replace in good time - they don't (generally) have the "catastrophic failure" mode most HDDs experience.
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Actually, he's not. :) SSD memory cells can only handle so many writes - a lot of them, but there is a limit. See this: SSD reliability in the real world: Google's experience | ZDNET[^] with that in mind, the controller on the SSD (as well as any other persistent silicon storage) does the job of wear levelling. Because this controller exists, we no longer need to defrag SSD drives. Eventually, cells on the device will fail, and the controller marks them as bad and doesn't attempt to use them. Years ago, when I converted to SSD, I dug into this area, as I was skeptical about how long an SSD would last. The math I worked out was something like 8 years, longer than the life span of the laptop.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
The math I worked out was something like 8 years, longer than the life span of the laptop.
Steve Gibson, being the nerd that he is, also did the math a few years ago in an episode of his [Security Now](https://twit.tv/shows/security-now) podcast and came to the conclusion that yeah, it comes down to many years, but that's assuming you're rewriting all of your free space non-stop, 24/7. For real-world use, I forget the details and his exact parameters, but it came down to many decades, but that was still with unrealistically high usage patterns.
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From 120GB to 480GB. :jig: Lots of space now. The old one had ~20GB left, with most of the used space being Windows. New one has 350GB left.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
what is the brand of your SSD?
diligent hands rule....
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what is the brand of your SSD?
diligent hands rule....
And *that* is a valid question. There are a lot of gray market stuff out there, so I don't hesitate to go straight to Samsung for my NVMEs. Do NOT buy their appliances. Just trust me.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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the article was referenced for general results, don't be such a hard a$$ :). I doubt google's data farms have changed that much from hammering the crap out of their hardware. Seriously, I support embedded hardware that has been in the field for decades. One of the issues we have to worry about is wearing out persistent storage like this - much smaller but the same concept. When I was thinking about moving to SSD, one of the gripes was that when the SSDs failed it was instant as compared to spinners making noise. With that said, I've been using SSDs since 2010? Heck at least a decade. SATA, m.2 and higher. None have failed. I think it's far more likely to lose your system in some other way.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
