Are Lenovo laptops any good?
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ThinkPad T series and E series are very good - first hand experience...
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Caring costs more.
I was speaking compared to ASUS' other notebooks. :laugh:
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Honestly Hun, They're all Chinese junk. Take your pick. Except HP they suck even more. We prefer Asus or Acer. They seem to care at least a little.
my experience on HP laptops is not great. currently I am using one...
diligent hands rule....
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
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I appear to be in a small minority here, but I've had good experience with the HP laptops. Over the last 15 years I have bought 6 laptops for various family members. 5 are still working away to this day. (The oldest was junked because its screen broke in a fall) They are not bleeding-edge technology, but they work for us. As for Lenovo, we have had two of them. I don't like the amount of spyware and bloatware that they come with. They also make it difficult to remove - after installing a clean system, using their "driver installation" app will also reinstallmuch of the spyware.
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I appear to be in a small minority here, but I've had good experience with the HP laptops. Over the last 15 years I have bought 6 laptops for various family members. 5 are still working away to this day. (The oldest was junked because its screen broke in a fall) They are not bleeding-edge technology, but they work for us. As for Lenovo, we have had two of them. I don't like the amount of spyware and bloatware that they come with. They also make it difficult to remove - after installing a clean system, using their "driver installation" app will also reinstallmuch of the spyware.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I have had similar experience. Have an HP touch screen 17" laptop (2 years old) and HP desktop (3 years old). Both solid and not overloaded with bloatware. I use them everyday. My Lenova was retired because I could not upgrade OS and hard drive was weak. I do have a beef with HP is printer systems. But that's another story.
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I just got done telling someone else my experience with Dell laptops was totally middle of the road. I compared it to driving a toyota. Reliable, but reliably boring. I don't know exactly what I'm looking for in a laptop, but I'll know it when i see it. I'm being difficult, I know.
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please share with us what you finally get ...
diligent hands rule....
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please share with us what you finally get ...
diligent hands rule....
I will. It might be awhile. I like to start looking and doing research well ahead of when I buy so I'm all caught up on the latest stuff when I'm ready. I'm also not in a huge hurry, since I don't have a pressing need for it. It would just be nice.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I bought one 2 weeks ago. A yoga, since that had what I wanted, namely a fast ssd, metal case, backlit keyboard and a decent cpu. Couldn't give a crap about the 10-point touchscreen, 180deg hinge to make it a tablet or the inbuilt hd camera. 14" 2880x1800 oled, 16g ram, 1tb nvme ssd. i7-1260. Dolby atmos sound, backlit keyboard. It's a sexy machine, with spectacular build quality, though wasn't what I'd call cheap. Everything about it is amazing.. Except 2 things. 0) Windows 11's Bluetooth support sucks big hairy donkey whatsits. All of the bluetooth audio devices I own produce glitchy sound. Both synch issues when watching youtube or locally-stored videos with VLC, sometimes combined with lower pitch. Someone online has pointed out that a 1k test signal was played back at 44100/48000 of what it should be (with a pair of Huwawei laptops) MS bt drivers for it only allow 48000hz BT sound output. I've been back and forth with them for a week and appear to have an admission that their third-party supplier (Microsoft) has let down the team. Think I'll return it and keep working on the old Win 7 laptop I have. 1) The warranty scheme is messed-up. They offer a 12 month warranty, to which they add an extra month. Why the extra month, you ask? Because the warranty period starts when they sell it to the retailer, rather than when the retailer sells it to you. They've even got a button in their support website marked "Problems with my warranty" or similar. I got mine with under 10months left, according to their Vantage app. They fixed that after a single email. Everything else about it though is like my L badged 'toyota'. (Bloody Awesome) Sucks bugger-all juice while going hard, a tank of energy lasts ages. I've been getting about 10 hours per charge from the 71Wh battery, the inbuilt sound is spectacular and it's an absolute joy to use. The sound issue though is not what I'd expect from something with Dolby written on it, which cost over $2.6k. :sigh:
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I bought one 2 weeks ago. A yoga, since that had what I wanted, namely a fast ssd, metal case, backlit keyboard and a decent cpu. Couldn't give a crap about the 10-point touchscreen, 180deg hinge to make it a tablet or the inbuilt hd camera. 14" 2880x1800 oled, 16g ram, 1tb nvme ssd. i7-1260. Dolby atmos sound, backlit keyboard. It's a sexy machine, with spectacular build quality, though wasn't what I'd call cheap. Everything about it is amazing.. Except 2 things. 0) Windows 11's Bluetooth support sucks big hairy donkey whatsits. All of the bluetooth audio devices I own produce glitchy sound. Both synch issues when watching youtube or locally-stored videos with VLC, sometimes combined with lower pitch. Someone online has pointed out that a 1k test signal was played back at 44100/48000 of what it should be (with a pair of Huwawei laptops) MS bt drivers for it only allow 48000hz BT sound output. I've been back and forth with them for a week and appear to have an admission that their third-party supplier (Microsoft) has let down the team. Think I'll return it and keep working on the old Win 7 laptop I have. 1) The warranty scheme is messed-up. They offer a 12 month warranty, to which they add an extra month. Why the extra month, you ask? Because the warranty period starts when they sell it to the retailer, rather than when the retailer sells it to you. They've even got a button in their support website marked "Problems with my warranty" or similar. I got mine with under 10months left, according to their Vantage app. They fixed that after a single email. Everything else about it though is like my L badged 'toyota'. (Bloody Awesome) Sucks bugger-all juice while going hard, a tank of energy lasts ages. I've been getting about 10 hours per charge from the 71Wh battery, the inbuilt sound is spectacular and it's an absolute joy to use. The sound issue though is not what I'd expect from something with Dolby written on it, which cost over $2.6k. :sigh:
I bought its "little bro" Ideapad Flex 5 a few months ago for about A$1.4k. [i7, 16GB / 512GB] Ran Win11 long enough to make it let go of the SSD (kill "fast start") then repartitioned it and loaded Ubuntu. Very happy with it. Much lighter than my other lappies, battery runs pretty much all day, so I don't need to lug the charger around a lot of the time. Feels solid, looks to be well engineered articulated hinges, magnetic closure is nice. About the only beef I have with it is that, like so many others around that size, the cursor up/down keys are half height. Keyboard backlight is a nice extra for late night use. Not a fan of touchpads, so I got a logitech pebble too.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
My Lenovo ThinkPad eraser head pointer goes into a drift sometimes that is hard to stop. It acts like I'm still pushing on it when I'm not. Very annoying. I have not found any device properties that I can adjust. If I have a lot of work to do I connect an external mouse to avoid the problem.
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My Lenovo ThinkPad eraser head pointer goes into a drift sometimes that is hard to stop. It acts like I'm still pushing on it when I'm not. Very annoying. I have not found any device properties that I can adjust. If I have a lot of work to do I connect an external mouse to avoid the problem.
It sounds like yours is physically worn out.
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I bought one 2 weeks ago. A yoga, since that had what I wanted, namely a fast ssd, metal case, backlit keyboard and a decent cpu. Couldn't give a crap about the 10-point touchscreen, 180deg hinge to make it a tablet or the inbuilt hd camera. 14" 2880x1800 oled, 16g ram, 1tb nvme ssd. i7-1260. Dolby atmos sound, backlit keyboard. It's a sexy machine, with spectacular build quality, though wasn't what I'd call cheap. Everything about it is amazing.. Except 2 things. 0) Windows 11's Bluetooth support sucks big hairy donkey whatsits. All of the bluetooth audio devices I own produce glitchy sound. Both synch issues when watching youtube or locally-stored videos with VLC, sometimes combined with lower pitch. Someone online has pointed out that a 1k test signal was played back at 44100/48000 of what it should be (with a pair of Huwawei laptops) MS bt drivers for it only allow 48000hz BT sound output. I've been back and forth with them for a week and appear to have an admission that their third-party supplier (Microsoft) has let down the team. Think I'll return it and keep working on the old Win 7 laptop I have. 1) The warranty scheme is messed-up. They offer a 12 month warranty, to which they add an extra month. Why the extra month, you ask? Because the warranty period starts when they sell it to the retailer, rather than when the retailer sells it to you. They've even got a button in their support website marked "Problems with my warranty" or similar. I got mine with under 10months left, according to their Vantage app. They fixed that after a single email. Everything else about it though is like my L badged 'toyota'. (Bloody Awesome) Sucks bugger-all juice while going hard, a tank of energy lasts ages. I've been getting about 10 hours per charge from the 71Wh battery, the inbuilt sound is spectacular and it's an absolute joy to use. The sound issue though is not what I'd expect from something with Dolby written on it, which cost over $2.6k. :sigh:
I'm holding out for a 12 point touch screen. :-D
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I just got a Samsung Book3 pro 360. I maxed it out on memory and have a TB SSD. I love that sucker. I got the bigger one with the larger keyboard and screen. I don't think it will take a physical beating. It is soo light. But, it has taken every programming number crunching things I have thrown at it for a month or more. Lenovo, i think they are better than they were last year. Dell I agree throughly middle of the road nothing special. and I think they are going down hill because of no competition.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I use a Lenovo Legion (gaming) for development already for two years, it is fast, thin bevel, matte screen (not the glossy you have with touchscreens), enough USB ports, and it has a built-in network connector which you won't find much in recent laptops. It is missing display port only HDMI, but mine is already 2 years old. So far no issues.
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I use a Lenovo Legion (gaming) for development already for two years, it is fast, thin bevel, matte screen (not the glossy you have with touchscreens), enough USB ports, and it has a built-in network connector which you won't find much in recent laptops. It is missing display port only HDMI, but mine is already 2 years old. So far no issues.
Thanks. After the comments here I've found myself enamored with the ASUS ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (H7600, 12th Gen Intel) It's got an RTX 3080 TI which is acceptable for the games I play, even at 4k. I have a 4080 at home anyway. The thing that gets me about it, besides the generous performance specs, and nice video (for a laptop, anyway) is the OLED screen. OMG, I love OLED. It's only 60Hz but I barely care. I usually just turn VSync off anyway on my games. (judge me!)
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Hey, I have two thinkpads from Lenovo, T510 and W530. Been using T510 from 2014 till now, actually I was having some kernel level issues in Ubuntu on T510, probably it will be fixed, but I just love it, build quality is like tank. I have dropped it sometimes, even the lcd is blacked out from one side but it is still working as good as it was on day one. I have played Assassins creed 3(whole game) with the 'little eraserhead pointer' and many other games, did my machine learning project using opencv and tensorflow on it. The machine was running for weeks training the model at temps above 85C, and I bought second hand, well I can go on for hours, plus W530 is also like a tank, been mining on it, played games on it. All in all, lenovo thinkpads are still a good choice to go.
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Hmmm. I've had dell laptops before. I wasn't super impressed. It felt like driving a toyota. Standard trackpad, standard screen, standard keyboard. Stock upper mid shelf CPU. Nothing to really hate about them (except the trackpad), but nothing I loved either. I'm looking for something... sportier? I want to fall in love with it.
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I'm looking for something... sportier? I want to fall in love with it.
Well, take a look at Alienware then. Just like Lexus is made by Toyota, Alienware is made by Dell. On a different note, while some manufacturers indeed only make junk, most have different lines aiming for different customers. Dell and Lenovo both makes junk less good computers, while both also make good stuff. I've personally have had VERY good experience with Dell Latitude, but they also produce junk I'm afraid. The lineup from Dell goes like: AlienWare -> Gaming, Performance, big and heavy Precision -> Workstations, Performance, almost as big and heavy XPS -> small and Light Latitude -> Business, long lasting, compromise on everything except price Inspiron -> Cheap Vostro -> Garbage G Series -> Dunno, have to check them out I have no clue what the current lineup from Lenovo is I'm afraid
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I have a Lenovo P51 and I'd say it's insanely good. This particular one is also insanely over-specced (for 4 years ago) and thus insanely expensive: it has the fastest mobile Xeon available at the time, 32GB memory, a 1TB SSD, 15" 4k screen and NVidia Quadro graphics, which are good enough for me to run three external monitors as well as the laptop's screen. The two things I really like about it are the famously-excellent keyboard and the fact that it can cool that Xeon enough for it to run flat out, all the time. Most laptops with high-end CPUs can only keep them cool for short bursts then have to throttle down, but this is a tank. It's heavy but that's OK as I rarely need to move it.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I'm on my fourth Thinkpad laptop in under 2 years. :( The first one broke down after I installed all software I needed. (2 days wasted) :omg: The second one lost the ability to connect to any network. :confused: The third one had a rebooting issue. (rebooted when I didn't want it to reboot) X| My fourth one is working for now. (I've only had for 4 months) :~ General speaking: . It is a bit slow . Ridicules few ports. (1 HDMI, 2 USB ports - none of the USB-3) . Very small screen My boss supplies this stuff. I would never buy one myself, I would go for ASUS.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings. The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time. But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually. The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule. Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality? Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**? Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them. ** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
My 8 yo Lenovo Yoga 15 is still perking along. It's obviously not as fast as a newer unit, but it handles VS 2022 just fine, and does everything I need without any problems. I purchased Lenovo T series for both my sons when they entered college -- these laptops are now 7 and 10 yo, respectively, and both still work fine. Longevity is not a problem IME.
