Should we / I worry about AI "taking over the world "?
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fgs1963 wrote:
Says a guy on the world wide we
Another way to say what I said... Hindsight does not make one a genius at predicting the future.
fgs1963 wrote:
Never mind other AMAZING things our parents never dreamed of as kids
Naming the past does not have anything do with assuring that a future prediction will come to pass. And it definitely does not mean all future predictions will come true.
Nor do any of your examples assure that AI will fail. My point is that technology is advancing at an alarming rate and AI is likely to be part of that advancement. If you disagree... that's fine. I won't be alive in the time frames I've mentioned (~50 years) so unless it happens a lot sooner I'll never know if I'm right or wrong.
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Self-driving cars will last exactly as long as it takes the Great Unwashed to realize that they're buying machines which can choose to kill them based on an algorithm!
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As opposed to driving on roads where other humans can kill them on purpose or by accident. :doh:
Yes, but you're not choosing to pay the other humans to do it.
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Yes, but you're not choosing to pay the other humans to do it.
True, but people already die in cars they bought. Most cars already have things like throttle by wire, cruise control, power steering, power brakes, anti-lock brakes, etc... High end cars are adding automatic collision avoidance, lane centering and automatic parking to manual drive cars. High end pickups will automatically center your tow ball to your trailer hitch. Full self drive is the ultimate goal. It will get here eventually - its just harder than most people think.
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Kate-X257 wrote:
we need to prepare and act pro-actively to detect and actively counter active threats. If one group creates a malicious AI, you basically need a more advanced and specialized AI system to actively counter that threat.
So we should focus on that one AI versus the potential millions of people around the world that continuously seek active harm through technology?
To give an example: Phishing and social engineering are examples of threats. Due to AI being employed, these threats will scale up in scope and effectiveness. I propose we use AI to counter these threats more effectively. Nowhere do I claim we should focus on AI as a threat. I explicitly started with: it's not a threat.
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True, but people already die in cars they bought. Most cars already have things like throttle by wire, cruise control, power steering, power brakes, anti-lock brakes, etc... High end cars are adding automatic collision avoidance, lane centering and automatic parking to manual drive cars. High end pickups will automatically center your tow ball to your trailer hitch. Full self drive is the ultimate goal. It will get here eventually - its just harder than most people think.
The difference between those things and self-driving cars is this: Imagine your self-driving car is driving down a narrow road lined with cars, and a couple of small children jump out right in front of it. The only way it can stop itself from killing the kids is to crash into a parked car, potentially killing the driver (or passenger, or whatever you choose to call it). Would you buy something which might choose to do that? Could you honestly say you'd trust it not to do that for the sake of a large dog, instead? It's not the same as lane centering.
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The difference between those things and self-driving cars is this: Imagine your self-driving car is driving down a narrow road lined with cars, and a couple of small children jump out right in front of it. The only way it can stop itself from killing the kids is to crash into a parked car, potentially killing the driver (or passenger, or whatever you choose to call it). Would you buy something which might choose to do that? Could you honestly say you'd trust it not to do that for the sake of a large dog, instead? It's not the same as lane centering.
...and again - this happens already with human drivers. People have killed themselves and others in car accidents caused by an effort to avoid a squirrel. It happens. A self driving car might actually perform better than the average driver in a panic. On the other side of the coin, you should consider human faults that routinely cause accidents today that would be avoided with a self driving car. Drunk drivers. Driving while using a cell phone. Medical events (stroke, heart attach, seizure, etc...)
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...and again - this happens already with human drivers. People have killed themselves and others in car accidents caused by an effort to avoid a squirrel. It happens. A self driving car might actually perform better than the average driver in a panic. On the other side of the coin, you should consider human faults that routinely cause accidents today that would be avoided with a self driving car. Drunk drivers. Driving while using a cell phone. Medical events (stroke, heart attach, seizure, etc...)
You're missing the point. Yes: a human driver can do all these things. But you don't go to the human driver store and deliberately PAY MONEY to get one of them to do it!
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You're missing the point. Yes: a human driver can do all these things. But you don't go to the human driver store and deliberately PAY MONEY to get one of them to do it!
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Oh right. Yes: I'd forgotten that those cost $100,000 or whatever a Tesla costs these days.
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Oh right. Yes: I'd forgotten that those cost $100,000 or whatever a Tesla costs these days.