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How does one know when middle and senior management have no clue? Here's your sign....

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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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    Lost User
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    The one at the printer station disappears.

    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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      My stapler does more than 2 sheets.

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      • C charlieg

        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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        jmaida
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        Another question. How does one know when you have no clue? It has been my experience that management usually does have the clues. They just don't always share or want to share. Paper clips, staples, staplers, printer paper are obvious tools of the job and cheap. It's a poor worker who blames the tool. Not always true, but sometimes very near. Need them and don't have them. Go out and buy some. They are cheap enough. Just keep the receipts.

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        • C charlieg

          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          I once worked for a company with three owners and about four to five employees (including myself). The three owners were new and bought the company from the previous owners, who made it into a small, but successful business with a good name in meat processing. Needless to say, the new owners wanted to go in a new direction. Where the previous owners were part of the workforce, the new owners saw themselves more as managers and "big picture thinkers." So three "big shot managers" and four to five people having to earn all the money, things went downhill fast. Three people with new plans needed A LOT of meetings. Customers even started calling saying things like "I need [that owner], but he's probably in a meeting." They were absent even for us, even though they were meeting in the next room. So, after lots of meetings they decided it was time for a budget cut: no more lemonade and only house brand tea (instead of Pickwick). I made a simple calculation and found that the tea would save about €10 a year and would upset coworkers and myself, but they were determined. That €10 budget cut pushed me over the edge to search for a new job, which cost them A LOT more...

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          • F fgs1963

            In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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            charlieg
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            truth there, but more the point, here in the us, we change the meaning of words. We're all bigoted/opinionated/have our own personality to a certain extent, but racism is a completely different issue. SA took a moment to point out the lunacy / hypocrisy and liberal heads exploded.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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              decaffeinatedMonkey
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              Or printed business cards for that matter. It's all digital these days...

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              • F fgs1963

                In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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                Did you just assume their race?!?

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                  Did you just assume their race?!?

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                  fgs1963
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                  DelHatch wrote:

                  Did you just assume their race?!?

                  Ummm... no. I've seen photos of both and have read quotes from both where they state their own race. Why do you ask?

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                  • C charlieg

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    agolddog
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                    Similar to how you know if a lawyer is telling a lie...

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                    • C charlieg

                      truth there, but more the point, here in the us, we change the meaning of words. We're all bigoted/opinionated/have our own personality to a certain extent, but racism is a completely different issue. SA took a moment to point out the lunacy / hypocrisy and liberal heads exploded.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      charlieg wrote:

                      and liberal heads exploded.

                      Except of course what actually happened was that an entertainment company made a free market decision not to deal with an issue that had nothing to do with entertainment. Which is the actual basis of how free markets are supposed to be allowed to work.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                        BernardIE5317
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                        i do not work in an office so this stapler business is beyond me but i am confused as i assumed paper is a thing of the past . why would any modern office not utilize electronics instead . i assume paper is wasteful cost-wise environment-wise perhaps other-wise as well . by coincidence last nights' "The Good Doctor" had our hero print 100s of pages on his wifes' printer . made no sense to me . -Best

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                          It disappears in someone's desk drawer in 0.001 ns.

                          GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                          enhzflep
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                          Not always apparently. Immediately thought of these pics which I first saw the other day. Bet they're fun to work with. :laugh: [Jobsworth puts a Do not Remove label on stapler saying so workers take it around the world  | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3244684/Jokers-staple-diet-pranks-Jobsworth-sticks-label-office-stapler-saying-Floor-4-not-remove-workers-immediately-trip-world.html)

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                            i do not work in an office so this stapler business is beyond me but i am confused as i assumed paper is a thing of the past . why would any modern office not utilize electronics instead . i assume paper is wasteful cost-wise environment-wise perhaps other-wise as well . by coincidence last nights' "The Good Doctor" had our hero print 100s of pages on his wifes' printer . made no sense to me . -Best

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                            den2k88
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                            Sketching designs, printing pinouts and error tables... when working in an engineering context paper is definitely helpful as it doesn't require to switch between multiple windows or having multiple monitors (often we need to move in labs with only our laptop), reading from an instruments (like digital oscilloscopes or other specialized equipemnt) and having right there the decoding cheatsheet, having the wiring on hand while soldering at the solder station and so on. Even while debugging it's useful since you can have some special values or a blank space to decode from hex to binary while having your eyes glued to the watch window - consider that IDEs for embedded systems are usually comparable to VisualStudio 6 or earlier in terms of features, and many embedded platforms can support only 2 active breakpoints at any given time. Having something to jot down while using the horrible debugger and the oscilloscope without constantly switching window or requiring a 42" monitor to have all the windows to a human readable size is golden.

                            GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                            • C charlieg

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              Martin ISDN
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                              "Their bad decisions are catching up with them." they'll just update their cv and start fishing for a new job Those that put *class* in JavaScript are the same that put *var* in C#

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                                charlieg wrote:

                                and liberal heads exploded.

                                Except of course what actually happened was that an entertainment company made a free market decision not to deal with an issue that had nothing to do with entertainment. Which is the actual basis of how free markets are supposed to be allowed to work.

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                                charlieg
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                                which is fine. Most of the time, Dilbert or the comics are about the only thing worthwhile to read. All SA did was point out the pink elephant in the corner. Anyway, it's all good.

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  In both my experience (subjective) and in reason (objective), it is a mistake to have technology staff (e.g. software developers, engineers, architects, testers, etc.) report to non-technical management (e.g. those with no (or no current) hands-on technology experience). It is far easier for an experienced technologist with a modicum of people skills to learn management, leadership, and business, than for a non-technical business type to become proficient enough in practical, applied technology. The intellectual horsepower needed for the technical exceeds the intellectual horsepower needed for business and management. From the CTO (or it’s equivalent) on down, those in leadership should have a successful history as hands-on in their technology field, and retain enough hands-on work so as to stay current. I use these terms because the principal applies beyond software engineering. Do you think Lockheed Skunkworks could have churned out the U-2 and SR-71 if they were not led at the top by an engineer? Can you imagine the outcome if some Ivy League MBA-type had run Skunkworks then instead of Clarence “Kelly” Johnson? https://lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/photo/skunkworks/kellys-14-rules.pdf[^]

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                                    In both my experience (subjective) and in reason (objective), it is a mistake to have technology staff (e.g. software developers, engineers, architects, testers, etc.) report to non-technical management (e.g. those with no (or no current) hands-on technology experience). It is far easier for an experienced technologist with a modicum of people skills to learn management, leadership, and business, than for a non-technical business type to become proficient enough in practical, applied technology. The intellectual horsepower needed for the technical exceeds the intellectual horsepower needed for business and management. From the CTO (or it’s equivalent) on down, those in leadership should have a successful history as hands-on in their technology field, and retain enough hands-on work so as to stay current. I use these terms because the principal applies beyond software engineering. Do you think Lockheed Skunkworks could have churned out the U-2 and SR-71 if they were not led at the top by an engineer? Can you imagine the outcome if some Ivy League MBA-type had run Skunkworks then instead of Clarence “Kelly” Johnson? https://lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/aero/photo/skunkworks/kellys-14-rules.pdf[^]

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                                    And another example is Admiral Hyman Rickover (an engineer) who created and led the US’ Naval Reactors (aka Naval Nuclear Power) for decades. Naval nuclear power in the US, and copied by other nations, could never have happened and be so successful and safe had a non-engineering management-type tried to create that program.

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                                    • B BernardIE5317

                                      i do not work in an office so this stapler business is beyond me but i am confused as i assumed paper is a thing of the past . why would any modern office not utilize electronics instead . i assume paper is wasteful cost-wise environment-wise perhaps other-wise as well . by coincidence last nights' "The Good Doctor" had our hero print 100s of pages on his wifes' printer . made no sense to me . -Best

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                                      jschell
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                                      I use tools to document designs. Often the designs are fairly easy. But when they are complex insuring that the boxes get to the right place on the virtual paper does nothing to help the primary problem of figuring out what boxes I need in the first place.

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                                      • C charlieg

                                        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                        Isn't the office paperless?

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                                          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                          gaujaai
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                                          Who uses paper and staples in this day and age?????

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