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How does one know when middle and senior management have no clue? Here's your sign....

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  • O obermd

    Yep, reverse the skin color of the people involved and if it's not racist afterwords it wasn't racist before. Pure, simple, and easy test. If this test changes the answer between racist and non-racist in either direction then the answer is racist in both directions. For programmers, this is a logical OR where Racist = 1 and non-Racist = 0.

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    In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      I always liked: "Times are tight, we have to cut out unnecessary spending". Made me wonder if, when the economy picks up, could we restart unnecessary spending?

      >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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        jschell
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        Ruth Porat made 14 million in 2021. I wonder if that was "necessary" spending?

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          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          Rick York
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          I always assume they don't and that is almost always correct. At least at previous employers it certainly was, especially the publicly-traded ones. When they actually DO have a clue it really stands out and is very obvious. It is also so rare that it is the exception, not the rule.

          "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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          • P PIEBALDconsult

            Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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            First job out of college (Univac) I needed a stapler a couple weeks after I started. Went to the office supply room and there were none. The supply person said they'd been on back order for months, no idea when they'd be in. I went to a colleague to borrow his. He opens a drawer and hands me one of his ~6. "Why do you have 6 staplers?" Because last year they couldn't get staples, but all the staplers were fully loaded. Run out of staples, go get a new stapler. Apparently lots of people did just that. There were probably 3 staplers per person in the building, just hidden in people's desks. X|

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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              Lost User
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              The one at the printer station disappears.

              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                My stapler does more than 2 sheets.

                "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                  https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  jmaida
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                  Another question. How does one know when you have no clue? It has been my experience that management usually does have the clues. They just don't always share or want to share. Paper clips, staples, staplers, printer paper are obvious tools of the job and cheap. It's a poor worker who blames the tool. Not always true, but sometimes very near. Need them and don't have them. Go out and buy some. They are cheap enough. Just keep the receipts.

                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    I once worked for a company with three owners and about four to five employees (including myself). The three owners were new and bought the company from the previous owners, who made it into a small, but successful business with a good name in meat processing. Needless to say, the new owners wanted to go in a new direction. Where the previous owners were part of the workforce, the new owners saw themselves more as managers and "big picture thinkers." So three "big shot managers" and four to five people having to earn all the money, things went downhill fast. Three people with new plans needed A LOT of meetings. Customers even started calling saying things like "I need [that owner], but he's probably in a meeting." They were absent even for us, even though they were meeting in the next room. So, after lots of meetings they decided it was time for a budget cut: no more lemonade and only house brand tea (instead of Pickwick). I made a simple calculation and found that the tea would save about €10 a year and would upset coworkers and myself, but they were determined. That €10 budget cut pushed me over the edge to search for a new job, which cost them A LOT more...

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                      In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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                      truth there, but more the point, here in the us, we change the meaning of words. We're all bigoted/opinionated/have our own personality to a certain extent, but racism is a completely different issue. SA took a moment to point out the lunacy / hypocrisy and liberal heads exploded.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                        decaffeinatedMonkey
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                        Or printed business cards for that matter. It's all digital these days...

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                          In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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                          Did you just assume their race?!?

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                            Did you just assume their race?!?

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                            DelHatch wrote:

                            Did you just assume their race?!?

                            Ummm... no. I've seen photos of both and have read quotes from both where they state their own race. Why do you ask?

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                              https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              agolddog
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                              Similar to how you know if a lawyer is telling a lie...

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                                truth there, but more the point, here in the us, we change the meaning of words. We're all bigoted/opinionated/have our own personality to a certain extent, but racism is a completely different issue. SA took a moment to point out the lunacy / hypocrisy and liberal heads exploded.

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                charlieg wrote:

                                and liberal heads exploded.

                                Except of course what actually happened was that an entertainment company made a free market decision not to deal with an issue that had nothing to do with entertainment. Which is the actual basis of how free markets are supposed to be allowed to work.

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                                  Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                                  BernardIE5317
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                                  i do not work in an office so this stapler business is beyond me but i am confused as i assumed paper is a thing of the past . why would any modern office not utilize electronics instead . i assume paper is wasteful cost-wise environment-wise perhaps other-wise as well . by coincidence last nights' "The Good Doctor" had our hero print 100s of pages on his wifes' printer . made no sense to me . -Best

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                                    It disappears in someone's desk drawer in 0.001 ns.

                                    GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                    Not always apparently. Immediately thought of these pics which I first saw the other day. Bet they're fun to work with. :laugh: [Jobsworth puts a Do not Remove label on stapler saying so workers take it around the world  | Daily Mail Online](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3244684/Jokers-staple-diet-pranks-Jobsworth-sticks-label-office-stapler-saying-Floor-4-not-remove-workers-immediately-trip-world.html)

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                                      i do not work in an office so this stapler business is beyond me but i am confused as i assumed paper is a thing of the past . why would any modern office not utilize electronics instead . i assume paper is wasteful cost-wise environment-wise perhaps other-wise as well . by coincidence last nights' "The Good Doctor" had our hero print 100s of pages on his wifes' printer . made no sense to me . -Best

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                                      Sketching designs, printing pinouts and error tables... when working in an engineering context paper is definitely helpful as it doesn't require to switch between multiple windows or having multiple monitors (often we need to move in labs with only our laptop), reading from an instruments (like digital oscilloscopes or other specialized equipemnt) and having right there the decoding cheatsheet, having the wiring on hand while soldering at the solder station and so on. Even while debugging it's useful since you can have some special values or a blank space to decode from hex to binary while having your eyes glued to the watch window - consider that IDEs for embedded systems are usually comparable to VisualStudio 6 or earlier in terms of features, and many embedded platforms can support only 2 active breakpoints at any given time. Having something to jot down while using the horrible debugger and the oscilloscope without constantly switching window or requiring a 42" monitor to have all the windows to a human readable size is golden.

                                      GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                        Martin ISDN
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                                        "Their bad decisions are catching up with them." they'll just update their cv and start fishing for a new job Those that put *class* in JavaScript are the same that put *var* in C#

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                                          charlieg wrote:

                                          and liberal heads exploded.

                                          Except of course what actually happened was that an entertainment company made a free market decision not to deal with an issue that had nothing to do with entertainment. Which is the actual basis of how free markets are supposed to be allowed to work.

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                                          charlieg
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                                          which is fine. Most of the time, Dilbert or the comics are about the only thing worthwhile to read. All SA did was point out the pink elephant in the corner. Anyway, it's all good.

                                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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