Is it just me, or are...
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Wow Jeremy. Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is. My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
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I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
My min desirements always gets me over $2K. From my first 1988ish 286 desktop, to my most recent 2020 Rizen 5 desktop build. My newest computer is a 2TB, 32GB, M2 MacBook Pro. It is my first computer that costs over $3K, and that is with a family discount, and I love it. Worth every penny. I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011. I still keep a PC around, but may not turn it on for 6 months at a time. Maybe that topic is better suited to a new thread. Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
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My min desirements always gets me over $2K. From my first 1988ish 286 desktop, to my most recent 2020 Rizen 5 desktop build. My newest computer is a 2TB, 32GB, M2 MacBook Pro. It is my first computer that costs over $3K, and that is with a family discount, and I love it. Worth every penny. I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011. I still keep a PC around, but may not turn it on for 6 months at a time. Maybe that topic is better suited to a new thread. Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
BBar2 wrote:
I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: To be honest, the only reason I can't go fulltime Mac is because I cannot use my thumb to copy and paste. I'm a pinky kinda guy.
BBar2 wrote:
Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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My wife wants a new laptop -- she said her current one cost about $600 USD, and that she expects to pay around that. I told her I would expect to pay about $2000 USD if I ever buy one for myself (I have no plans to buy myself a laptop). I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( :sigh: ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future. Edit: My needs are simple, I'm a developer, I don't game, I don't watch video on a PC, I can make do with the on-board graphics just fine.
Wow, I had forgotten the pain of "I have to upgrade my computer every two years issue", I use to have. I switched to OSX, WSL, and ubuntu years ago and since they I only had to upgrade about once ever 8 years or so. When I need windows I just run parallels. Say what you want about Apple, their hardware even when running windows lasts.
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In March of 2018 I purchased my next 5+ year desktop. I sprung for an AMD ThreadRipper 1900X. I like the idea of the extra cores to run virtual machines. Two and a half years later it was obsoleted by Windows 11. Still runs great with Windows 10 which I will run on it towards October of 2025 when mainstream support ends and try again. So I guess it will last me 5 years, it was just dissapointing to be shut out half way through.
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64GB is an awful lot of memory for a laptop. I have a VM host with that much, and I'd like it to have more, but that's a VM host. What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
dandy72 wrote:
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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Kids on your lawn Jeremy? :laugh:
Software Zen:
delete this;None that I saw. None of them getting a car though if I do find one... I got computers to buy. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Wow Jeremy. Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is. My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
MikeCO10 wrote:
Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs?
Yes and no. Yes, maybe... but I also value my time. I don't want to upgrade often and it's a distraction and waste of time. So, I'd rather overshoot and wait 5 years before doing this again than try to upgrade every 2-3 years. The more beefy you go, the further out you can make your machine lasts.
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I am still using my 6+ year old Dell 64bit laptop for all of development work and it works just fine. It has 16gigs of RAM with 1 terabyte of SSD storage. No need to upgrade at this time. If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I know this is not a solution TekBoost sold Dell Laptops refurbished at one time NOT so much now I looked at this but have no idea if it is a good configuration ? My Windows 7 64 bit seems to be getting tired Have you considered Refurbished ? Is this a good buy ? Dell Precision T7610 2x E5-2643 4C 3.3Ghz 64GB 256GB SSD 2TB K600 Win 10[^] Asking for a Friend that needs a new Car & House
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I am still using my 6+ year old Dell 64bit laptop for all of development work and it works just fine. It has 16gigs of RAM with 1 terabyte of SSD storage. No need to upgrade at this time. If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
Steve Naidamast wrote:
If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
The more important question is why not? We're tech enthusiasts... we should be... enthused.
Jeremy Falcon
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I know this is not a solution TekBoost sold Dell Laptops refurbished at one time NOT so much now I looked at this but have no idea if it is a good configuration ? My Windows 7 64 bit seems to be getting tired Have you considered Refurbished ? Is this a good buy ? Dell Precision T7610 2x E5-2643 4C 3.3Ghz 64GB 256GB SSD 2TB K600 Win 10[^] Asking for a Friend that needs a new Car & House
Choroid wrote:
Is this a good buy ?
Dunno, I'll have to check it out. I just almost ordered a Dell XPS laptop but turns out it didn't support 4k at 120Hz+ for an external monitor. So, vering away from Dell for the moment. Otherwise, it would've been a great choice.
Choroid wrote:
Asking for a Friend that needs a new Car & House
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I looked at Lenovo, and wow $5790 for 128Gigs, 4 Tb storage, Nvidia RTX and i9 chip. It's the NVidia chip ($1800), the ram ($1400) and SSD ($750) estimated by me. This level of performance is in high demand, and the higher price keeps them in stock, where if it was cheaper, they would be sold out and on back order. NVidia sold out of chips this quarter, and they are hard to get now. Companies are complaining that they can't get their chips from NVidia, because NVidia shifted their production to the big AI chip, H-100 when TSMC was slow. Since the value of NVidia stock is so high now, I would imagine anything with NVidia technology inside is going to be very expensive. The $6K is hard to justify, but the amount of computing power within such a small package like this is much higher now compared to 5 years ago. What you can do with this much power if you can do it, justifies the price today.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Just an option to consider - Framework. Framework Laptops I got a powerful system for about 2.2k last year and I've been happy with it. I mess with virtualization a bit so I wanted the 64G mem. 6 cores (I think, might be 8). I know at least one other person who's quite happy with their older Framework. Their vision is to have components that are easily user-upgradable, so hopefully it will have a longer overall lifetime. Cheers!
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dandy72 wrote:
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs. In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
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Really? Well crap. Reminds me of this quote though...
Abraham Lincoln wrote:
Not every quote you read on the Internet is true.
Jeremy Falcon
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs. In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
kalberts wrote:
In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
Oh snaaaaap. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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I just recently replaced both my 10-year-old laptop and my nearly 10-year-old desktop. For the laptop I bought an LG Gram16 with 500GB NVME and 16GB RAM. CPU is a 12th-Gen Intel Core-i7. I'm a developer, not a gamer, so the memory is enough to let me do what I need and I beefed up the disc space by adding a 2TB 980Pro into the second NVME slot. The 16-inch screen is great and the whole thing weighs way less than my old ASUS. It comes in at less than a kilo. Surprisingly enough, I got it at Costco for $500 bucks off list. Cost me $CDN1500 for the laptop and about $200 for the added 2TB. My new desktop is based on a 13th-Gen Intel Core-i9, Asus motherboard, 32GB RAM, Nvidia 3060 GPU to drive my 4 monitors, and 3 2TB sticks of NVME, mixed between WD850NX and Samsung 980PRO. I moved over my two mirrored arrays of 4TB rotating discs to use for big storage and backup. The speed is awesome -- Visual Studio starts up in an eye-blink and builds go so fast that they're done in no time. I no longer have time to go make a cup of tea while I'm waiting. I figure this may be the last machine I build, so I decided it was worth it to spend the money. All told, it cost me about $CDN3500.
Not bad man... the same specs I'm looking at would be bit cheaper in a desktop I'm sure. Thing is, I haven't used a desktop in over a decade. I'm afraid I'd lose cool points for that.
Jeremy Falcon