Is it just me, or are...
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Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
Right. And maybe new RAM. And probably a larger M.2 drive.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money". Certainly, this statement (if Everett McKinley Dirksen ever made it - people dispute that) was not about PCs but the US state budget. And then: It dates back to around 1960. We've seen some inflation since then. (In Norway: A factor of 16 since 1960.) I dug up some old BYTE magazine for a few random picks. (For inflation factors: Check that up. I used Norwegian factors. Your country's mileage may differ!): March 1976 - For inflation, multiply by 6-7: 4K RAM - $180, or $45,000,000 for a gigabyte. Video card, 16 lines, 32 characters (no graphics, grayscale or color) - $230, add $25 for 64 ch/line. Complete system: 4K RAM (expandable to 8K), 6800 CPU, keyboard, built-in TV interface (16 lines, 21 chars) & CC player interface for data storage. All of this can be yours for just 860 (1976-)dollars! March 1989 - For inflation, multiply by around 2.5: Complete system: 386/25 MHz, 1 MB RAM, Color VGA, diskette drive, 101-keyboard, LPT/COM*2 ports, 322 MB disk - $9,099. 2 MB RAM (on board with sockets for expansion to 10 MB) - $1195, or $611,840 for a gigabyte. 16 MHz 80387 math coprocessor - $695. Logitech Mouse - $139. Hayes SmartModem 2400 bps - $439. HP Laserjet - $1750. Sept. 1995 - For inflation, multiply by 2: CD burner (SCSI controller included) - $1495. Complete system: 133 MHz Pentium, 8 MB RAM, 540 MB disk, 15" CRT, 4X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster, speakers, keyboard, mouse: $2499. Add $109 for network interface. Portable IBM ThinkPad 755CX 5/75 810MB - $6999. Apple Color Laser 12/600 - $6989. Tektronix Phaser 540 - $8995. 21" NEC XP21 - $2169. Pentium 133 CPU - $999.
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Yeah... I mean... I won't go broke... but.. ya know... that's also the price of a car or one hell of a weekend with a call g*** (can't say and be kid sister friendly).
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
that's also the price of a car or one hell of a weekend with a call g***
I'm guessing "goat."
Will Rogers never met me.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong
I admire your optimism. :laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much. A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no. And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
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I do like me some multi-tasking and future proofing. When it comes to laptops especially, since most are non-upgradable with their parts, better to go large once every 5 years because the next few versions of OSes to release will always take more umph.
Jeremy Falcon
In case you're not familiar with Framework Laptop, they allow you to easily open and change things. I thought their original 13.5" screen was too small. They now have a 16" version. Unfortunately for me, it doesn't ship where I live...
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In case you're not familiar with Framework Laptop, they allow you to easily open and change things. I thought their original 13.5" screen was too small. They now have a 16" version. Unfortunately for me, it doesn't ship where I live...
That's cool. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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My wife wants a new laptop -- she said her current one cost about $600 USD, and that she expects to pay around that. I told her I would expect to pay about $2000 USD if I ever buy one for myself (I have no plans to buy myself a laptop). I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( :sigh: ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future. Edit: My needs are simple, I'm a developer, I don't game, I don't watch video on a PC, I can make do with the on-board graphics just fine.
I don't ever use my personal laptop as a laptop, so I'm considering a mini/micro PC with all of the hookups so I can just keep using the same monitor and keyboard. Might get an additional monitor since I do use the one on my current laptop. These run much cheaper, as they should, and I'd get exactly what I want without having to build it myself. I am considering putting Ubuntu on it - or getting one with it installed.
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Yeah, like a starter, teenager car. Then again, I might be showing my age. :laugh: Cuz you know, _back in my day..._
Jeremy Falcon
Kids on your lawn Jeremy? :laugh:
Software Zen:
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like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much. A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no. And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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I do like me some multi-tasking and future proofing. When it comes to laptops especially, since most are non-upgradable with their parts, better to go large once every 5 years because the next few versions of OSes to release will always take more umph.
Jeremy Falcon
In March of 2018 I purchased my next 5+ year desktop. I sprung for an AMD ThreadRipper 1900X. I like the idea of the extra cores to run virtual machines. Two and a half years later it was obsoleted by Windows 11. Still runs great with Windows 10 which I will run on it towards October of 2025 when mainstream support ends and try again. So I guess it will last me 5 years, it was just dissapointing to be shut out half way through.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Wow Jeremy. Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is. My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
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I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
My min desirements always gets me over $2K. From my first 1988ish 286 desktop, to my most recent 2020 Rizen 5 desktop build. My newest computer is a 2TB, 32GB, M2 MacBook Pro. It is my first computer that costs over $3K, and that is with a family discount, and I love it. Worth every penny. I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011. I still keep a PC around, but may not turn it on for 6 months at a time. Maybe that topic is better suited to a new thread. Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
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My min desirements always gets me over $2K. From my first 1988ish 286 desktop, to my most recent 2020 Rizen 5 desktop build. My newest computer is a 2TB, 32GB, M2 MacBook Pro. It is my first computer that costs over $3K, and that is with a family discount, and I love it. Worth every penny. I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011. I still keep a PC around, but may not turn it on for 6 months at a time. Maybe that topic is better suited to a new thread. Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
BBar2 wrote:
I know CP is mostly Windows developers, but I turned to the dark side and switched to Macs around 2011
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: To be honest, the only reason I can't go fulltime Mac is because I cannot use my thumb to copy and paste. I'm a pinky kinda guy.
BBar2 wrote:
Hope you like your new $$ computer too!
Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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My wife wants a new laptop -- she said her current one cost about $600 USD, and that she expects to pay around that. I told her I would expect to pay about $2000 USD if I ever buy one for myself (I have no plans to buy myself a laptop). I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( :sigh: ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future. Edit: My needs are simple, I'm a developer, I don't game, I don't watch video on a PC, I can make do with the on-board graphics just fine.
Wow, I had forgotten the pain of "I have to upgrade my computer every two years issue", I use to have. I switched to OSX, WSL, and ubuntu years ago and since they I only had to upgrade about once ever 8 years or so. When I need windows I just run parallels. Say what you want about Apple, their hardware even when running windows lasts.
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In March of 2018 I purchased my next 5+ year desktop. I sprung for an AMD ThreadRipper 1900X. I like the idea of the extra cores to run virtual machines. Two and a half years later it was obsoleted by Windows 11. Still runs great with Windows 10 which I will run on it towards October of 2025 when mainstream support ends and try again. So I guess it will last me 5 years, it was just dissapointing to be shut out half way through.
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64GB is an awful lot of memory for a laptop. I have a VM host with that much, and I'd like it to have more, but that's a VM host. What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
dandy72 wrote:
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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Kids on your lawn Jeremy? :laugh:
Software Zen:
delete this;None that I saw. None of them getting a car though if I do find one... I got computers to buy. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Wow Jeremy. Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is. My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
MikeCO10 wrote:
Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs?
Yes and no. Yes, maybe... but I also value my time. I don't want to upgrade often and it's a distraction and waste of time. So, I'd rather overshoot and wait 5 years before doing this again than try to upgrade every 2-3 years. The more beefy you go, the further out you can make your machine lasts.
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I am still using my 6+ year old Dell 64bit laptop for all of development work and it works just fine. It has 16gigs of RAM with 1 terabyte of SSD storage. No need to upgrade at this time. If your machine has similar capabilities and is still working well, why are you bothering to upgrade?
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