Is it just me, or are...
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( :sigh: ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future.
A lot of the price is the GPU. Apparently the price gouging that happened during the pandemic hasn't reverted back to sane prices. Probably never will. Starting to think you might be onto something since I don't need the latest and greatest GPU and a desktop gives you more customizability. Funny thing about laptops... I love them but never really haul them around. Only if I'm changing office locations, but that's not a daily thing. Can haul a tower too.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
A lot of the price is the GPU. Apparently the price gouging that happened during the pandemic hasn't reverted back to sane prices. Probably never will.
Not really. I paid 1015€ for my AMD Razer 6900XT and today I saw the 6950XT (following model) for 599€. And SSD M.2 have gone way cheaper too. 4TB WD Black 850X PCI4.0 for 198€ and I paid 225€ for my Crucial P5 PCI3 2TB (in an offer)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
A lot of the price is the GPU. Apparently the price gouging that happened during the pandemic hasn't reverted back to sane prices. Probably never will.
Not really. I paid 1015€ for my AMD Razer 6900XT and today I saw the 6950XT (following model) for 599€. And SSD M.2 have gone way cheaper too. 4TB WD Black 850X PCI4.0 for 198€ and I paid 225€ for my Crucial P5 PCI3 2TB (in an offer)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Then, I dunno how the price breakdown is. I just know that for the laptop I want, what used to be a $3k laptop is now is $4k for the same thing (high end at the time of purchase).
Jeremy Falcon
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In Israel, a Lenovo laptop (Intel Core i9, 64GB RAM, NVidia RTX 4070) sells for about NIS 12,000 (USD 3,200). A 4K 31".5 screen (Samsung/Philips/Lenovo) can be had for under NIS 2,000 (USD 540). You are being robbed.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
You are being robbed.
I didn't buy yet. Fortunately still sitting in my shopping cart. Figured I'd swing by CP first. Will check out Lenovo over here at least to see if I can get a deal. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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Absolutely true! I priced the new 64-core Threadripper and it's over $6,000!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Time we take up pole dancing, mate.
Jeremy Falcon
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It's just a high end laptop with 2TB drive and 64GB memory and a 28" 144Hz monitor to go with it. $600 of that is just extended warranties / replacement (which is crazy). And I'm sure a third of the remainder is the GPU. Wouldn't surprise me. I don't need the graphics card, but I do want the 64GB RAM. Seems like it's all or none though. Not too many years ago, this would've been a 3K purchase for the same thing.
Jeremy Falcon
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You must be a graphics designer. That's the only reason I can think to have that much memory in a laptop. The price you're seeing is a result of the memory and SSD, nothing else.
I do like me some multi-tasking and future proofing. When it comes to laptops especially, since most are non-upgradable with their parts, better to go large once every 5 years because the next few versions of OSes to release will always take more umph.
Jeremy Falcon
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Then, I dunno how the price breakdown is. I just know that for the laptop I want, what used to be a $3k laptop is now is $4k for the same thing (high end at the time of purchase).
Jeremy Falcon
I don't know if Europa vs US has something to do with the price...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
i bought this refurbished desktop [^] for peanuts . maybe you can buy 35 of the same and have quite a shop .
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Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
Right. And maybe new RAM. And probably a larger M.2 drive.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Right. And maybe new/more RAM. And probably a bigger M.2 drive.
"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money". Certainly, this statement (if Everett McKinley Dirksen ever made it - people dispute that) was not about PCs but the US state budget. And then: It dates back to around 1960. We've seen some inflation since then. (In Norway: A factor of 16 since 1960.) I dug up some old BYTE magazine for a few random picks. (For inflation factors: Check that up. I used Norwegian factors. Your country's mileage may differ!): March 1976 - For inflation, multiply by 6-7: 4K RAM - $180, or $45,000,000 for a gigabyte. Video card, 16 lines, 32 characters (no graphics, grayscale or color) - $230, add $25 for 64 ch/line. Complete system: 4K RAM (expandable to 8K), 6800 CPU, keyboard, built-in TV interface (16 lines, 21 chars) & CC player interface for data storage. All of this can be yours for just 860 (1976-)dollars! March 1989 - For inflation, multiply by around 2.5: Complete system: 386/25 MHz, 1 MB RAM, Color VGA, diskette drive, 101-keyboard, LPT/COM*2 ports, 322 MB disk - $9,099. 2 MB RAM (on board with sockets for expansion to 10 MB) - $1195, or $611,840 for a gigabyte. 16 MHz 80387 math coprocessor - $695. Logitech Mouse - $139. Hayes SmartModem 2400 bps - $439. HP Laserjet - $1750. Sept. 1995 - For inflation, multiply by 2: CD burner (SCSI controller included) - $1495. Complete system: 133 MHz Pentium, 8 MB RAM, 540 MB disk, 15" CRT, 4X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster, speakers, keyboard, mouse: $2499. Add $109 for network interface. Portable IBM ThinkPad 755CX 5/75 810MB - $6999. Apple Color Laser 12/600 - $6989. Tektronix Phaser 540 - $8995. 21" NEC XP21 - $2169. Pentium 133 CPU - $999.
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Yeah... I mean... I won't go broke... but.. ya know... that's also the price of a car or one hell of a weekend with a call g*** (can't say and be kid sister friendly).
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
that's also the price of a car or one hell of a weekend with a call g***
I'm guessing "goat."
Will Rogers never met me.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong
I admire your optimism. :laugh:
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much. A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no. And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
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I do like me some multi-tasking and future proofing. When it comes to laptops especially, since most are non-upgradable with their parts, better to go large once every 5 years because the next few versions of OSes to release will always take more umph.
Jeremy Falcon
In case you're not familiar with Framework Laptop, they allow you to easily open and change things. I thought their original 13.5" screen was too small. They now have a 16" version. Unfortunately for me, it doesn't ship where I live...
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In case you're not familiar with Framework Laptop, they allow you to easily open and change things. I thought their original 13.5" screen was too small. They now have a 16" version. Unfortunately for me, it doesn't ship where I live...
That's cool. Thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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My wife wants a new laptop -- she said her current one cost about $600 USD, and that she expects to pay around that. I told her I would expect to pay about $2000 USD if I ever buy one for myself (I have no plans to buy myself a laptop). I might build myself new desktop (mini-tower) PC soon, and probably $2000 USD would be about right, but I have no idea now that Fry's Electronics is gone ( :sigh: ) -- I suppose NewEgg may be in my future. Edit: My needs are simple, I'm a developer, I don't game, I don't watch video on a PC, I can make do with the on-board graphics just fine.
I don't ever use my personal laptop as a laptop, so I'm considering a mini/micro PC with all of the hookups so I can just keep using the same monitor and keyboard. Might get an additional monitor since I do use the one on my current laptop. These run much cheaper, as they should, and I'd get exactly what I want without having to build it myself. I am considering putting Ubuntu on it - or getting one with it installed.
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Yeah, like a starter, teenager car. Then again, I might be showing my age. :laugh: Cuz you know, _back in my day..._
Jeremy Falcon
Kids on your lawn Jeremy? :laugh:
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like I view Photoshop pricing or Visual Studio Pro license, if its what helps me make the money for my job, then its a tiny amount to what my income is If its a hobby that do 1 hour a week, way too much. A hobby that do 2-3 hours a night - gaming, and smooth no jitter is what I want, sure If just watching videos, and browsing internet, uhm no. And yeah, computers in 1995 still cost more then comparable product range today.
I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
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I do like me some multi-tasking and future proofing. When it comes to laptops especially, since most are non-upgradable with their parts, better to go large once every 5 years because the next few versions of OSes to release will always take more umph.
Jeremy Falcon
In March of 2018 I purchased my next 5+ year desktop. I sprung for an AMD ThreadRipper 1900X. I like the idea of the extra cores to run virtual machines. Two and a half years later it was obsoleted by Windows 11. Still runs great with Windows 10 which I will run on it towards October of 2025 when mainstream support ends and try again. So I guess it will last me 5 years, it was just dissapointing to be shut out half way through.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Wow Jeremy. Are you sure you're not over spec'd on your needs? I think the problem with laptops is that raising some given requirement ups the whole package. I guess if you're a gamer that needs a $1k GPU, then it is what it is. My laptop is a three-year old, lower-end gaming box that cost $1200, adding an SSD, plus $200 for the 2nd monitor. From a work perspective, I'm amazed at what it can have running without missing a step. VS, Corel, two IDE editors, two browsers with multiple windows (and more tabs than I can count), Outlook, Teams, Word and Excel with multiple docs, Zoom, etc. And, I keep it in sleep mode many nights so not rebooted often. The price today isn't much different than it was.
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I'm a professional. Although I do have work computers and this one is my personal one. My main want with this is 64GB of RAM in a laptop. Turns out, any laptop with that don't come cheap.
Jeremy Falcon
