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  • A Amarnath S

    My books are in five different languages - English, Sanskrit, Kannada, Tamil, Hindi. And on different subjects - Indian Philosophy, Mathematics, Programming, Engineering, Physics. Since my library room is small in size, the books sometimes get mixed up, and it takes an effort to search. Some of the books are stacked vertically so that a book at the bottom of the pile gets hidden.

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    Certainly one must have sections. You need more "art" books. :-D

    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      Certainly one must have sections. You need more "art" books. :-D

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      Gerry Schmitz wrote:

      Certainly one must have sections

      Not by definition. Modern automated libraries tend store everything in complete chaos. When a book is returned, it is put into the first empty folder, in cases with a lot of numbered folders, of the appropriate size. This process includes scanning a bar code of the case, the folder and the book, and this is entered into a search index in the library, before the robot drives the case back to its shelf. Whenever someone later asks for the book, the library catalog provides the bar code for the book. This code is looked up in the search index, and the robot is sent out to retrieve the correct case. At the sorting table, a camera scans the folder bar code tags for the one in the index, and a mechanical arm lifts the book from the folder. The folder is now free for any other returned book, and the index entry for the book being removed is removed from the index. The National Library of Norway maintains a library of about two million volumes this way, mostly older books that are not any longer found in smaller libraries spread across the country. Users can browse the catalogs of this central depot library from any public library, or their own PCs, and order the book to be delivered to their local library. The library has an absolute time limit of 24 hours from the order is entered to the book is on the road, but during working hours the delay is usually no more than a couple hours (waiting for the pickup truck to arrive). Of course the library catalog has sections. They may have an "art" section, listing the book. Another section may be "French books", and the book is listed there as well. And maybe in the "antique books"

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        Certainly one must have sections. You need more "art" books. :-D

        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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        Gerry Schmitz wrote:

        Certainly one must have sections

        Not by definition. Modern automated libraries tend store everything in complete chaos. When a book is returned, it is put into the first empty folder, in cases with a lot of numbered folders, of the appropriate size. This process includes scanning a bar code of the case, the folder and the book, and this is entered into a search index in the library, before the robot drives the case back to its shelf. Whenever someone later asks for the book, the library catalog provides the bar code for the book. This code is looked up in the search index, and the robot is sent out to retrieve the correct case. At the sorting table, a camera scans the folder bar code tags for the one in the index, and a mechanical arm lifts the book from the folder. The folder is now free for any other returned book, and the index entry for the book being removed is removed from the index. The National Library of Norway maintains a library of about two million volumes this way, mostly older books that are not any longer found in smaller libraries spread across the country. Users can browse the catalogs of this central depot library from any public library, or their own PCs, and order the book to be delivered to their local library. The library has an absolute time limit of 24 hours from the order is entered to the book is on the road, but during working hours the delay is usually no more than a couple hours (waiting for the pickup truck to arrive). Of course the library catalog has sections. They may have an "art" section, listing the book. Another section may be "French books", and the book is listed there as well. And maybe in the "antique books" section as well. That is the great thing about it. I have copied my huge movie / music library to the PC (still fighting with the copy protection on some BD/DVDs, but most I can handle). I all the time have these questions like 'Is this a blues or a rock album? Where shall I put it?' Or, 'How did I classify that Nina Simone song - blues, soul, rock?' The Explorer 'Find file' helps a bit, but my archive is so huge that it is slow. I can only search on directory/file name; other properties are not searchable (MP3 tags are almost non-existent in my archive, and when present, they are often highly debatable.) So I have a database index design ready for implementation, for looking up on music/movies on more or less arbitrary criteria. The directory structure of my music/mov

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        • A AndyChisholm

          About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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          When you give up searching and decide to buy another tool to replace the first, after you've used it, you'll find the first one in your shed when you go to put the second one away...

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            About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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            C:\> dir /s filename.ext

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            • A AndyChisholm

              About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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              Remote controls are famous for vanishing into another dimension only to be reborn after you have replaced them. Just happened last Friday, I swear. Had to replace 2 different remotes, TV and Roku. Old ones haven't been been found so still in another dimension.

              "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                Remote controls are famous for vanishing into another dimension only to be reborn after you have replaced them. Just happened last Friday, I swear. Had to replace 2 different remotes, TV and Roku. Old ones haven't been been found so still in another dimension.

                "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                Do you suppose it's the same dimension that socks go to from the dryer? 🤔

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                • FreedMallocF FreedMalloc

                  Do you suppose it's the same dimension that socks go to from the dryer? 🤔

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                  That's a known theory yet to be proven. However, if my remote returns with a funny smell ....

                  "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                  • M Mike Hankey

                    When you have children they run away even quicker.

                    I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else. PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.1.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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                    And seldom come back!

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                      I do that with code: write a routine (again) that I already wrote previously while "in the zone".

                      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                      I find that as I get older the "zone" becomes ever more fragile. Anything over about three months old (on a good day) and I can't even remember that I wrote it, let alone where it is! Andy

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                        When you give up searching and decide to buy another tool to replace the first, after you've used it, you'll find the first one in your shed when you go to put the second one away...

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                        Strangely, I have now completed both of the jobs that I wanted to do with the drills but, more than 24 hours later the drills still haven't surfaced. Sod's law is broken, or more likely just lurking. Andy

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                        • G Gary R Wheeler

                          C:\> dir /s filename.ext

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          But, doesn't work for content. And how would I remember the file name!? Andy

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                          • A AndyChisholm

                            About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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                            This describes my entire life.

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                            • A AndyChisholm

                              About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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                              All too often! And in a similar vein, never put that 'important item' somewhere safe so that it doesn't get lost. You'll never see it again!

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                              • A AndyChisholm

                                About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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                                Constantly. Every time I look for my brain, I can't find it. :laugh:

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                                  Constantly. Every time I look for my brain, I can't find it. :laugh:

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                                  You could have all my sympathy - if I could remember where I'd left it! Andy

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                                  • A AndyChisholm

                                    About five years ago I bought a set of unusual drills in Lidl. A taper drill, a stepped hole drill, a drill for widening holes, and so on. You know the sought of thing, an "it's bound to be useful sometime" buy. Every now and then I see the box in the shed and think to myself, "One day, I'm going to find that really useful." Finally, yesterday, the day came. I had a job where I wanted to make a conical indentation in a screw head. One of those drills would be perfect but, could I find the box? Of course not. Next week, when I don't need it anymore, it will be lying somewhere in the shed that I have already looked. I realize that this is just another manifestation of Murphy's famous law but, does it happen to you too? Andy

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                                    Yes, but usually this happens when, upon stumbling on the thing at random, I decide that it needs a special place. Yeah. So going back to where I've stumbled upon it many times before is not going to work unless I can cast my mind back to that one time when I thought of a special place for the thing, which I am generally unsuccessful in doing.

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                                    • M Mike Hankey

                                      That's why I have at least two of everything in my shop!

                                      I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else. PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.1.0 JaxCoder.com Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate

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                                      Only two, you're awesome. I have way more than 2 of everything!

                                      Hogan

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                                      • T tronderen

                                        Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                                        Certainly one must have sections

                                        Not by definition. Modern automated libraries tend store everything in complete chaos. When a book is returned, it is put into the first empty folder, in cases with a lot of numbered folders, of the appropriate size. This process includes scanning a bar code of the case, the folder and the book, and this is entered into a search index in the library, before the robot drives the case back to its shelf. Whenever someone later asks for the book, the library catalog provides the bar code for the book. This code is looked up in the search index, and the robot is sent out to retrieve the correct case. At the sorting table, a camera scans the folder bar code tags for the one in the index, and a mechanical arm lifts the book from the folder. The folder is now free for any other returned book, and the index entry for the book being removed is removed from the index. The National Library of Norway maintains a library of about two million volumes this way, mostly older books that are not any longer found in smaller libraries spread across the country. Users can browse the catalogs of this central depot library from any public library, or their own PCs, and order the book to be delivered to their local library. The library has an absolute time limit of 24 hours from the order is entered to the book is on the road, but during working hours the delay is usually no more than a couple hours (waiting for the pickup truck to arrive). Of course the library catalog has sections. They may have an "art" section, listing the book. Another section may be "French books", and the book is listed there as well. And maybe in the "antique books" section as well. That is the great thing about it. I have copied my huge movie / music library to the PC (still fighting with the copy protection on some BD/DVDs, but most I can handle). I all the time have these questions like 'Is this a blues or a rock album? Where shall I put it?' Or, 'How did I classify that Nina Simone song - blues, soul, rock?' The Explorer 'Find file' helps a bit, but my archive is so huge that it is slow. I can only search on directory/file name; other properties are not searchable (MP3 tags are almost non-existent in my archive, and when present, they are often highly debatable.) So I have a database index design ready for implementation, for looking up on music/movies on more or less arbitrary criteria. The directory structure of my music/mov

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                                        Physical storage and organization are different things. As a former librarian I can tell you that there's a whole field of cataloging devoted to this sort of organization, and it has evolved over centuries. Technology has moved this sort of thing from physical card catalogs to databases and changed how the physical material can be delivered, but the process of organizing the material (cataloging) hasn't really changed much. Books etc. are cataloged into specific subjects in order to make it easy to find all available material on a specific subject, but they are also cross-referenced so that they can be discovered when looking for related subjects. It's similar to a primary-to-foreign-key relationship. But what really matters is the organization of the information, how it is physically stored is just a matter of convenience like you say. So, for example, you can classify an early rock album as rock, but cross-reference that to blues as well. That makes the database design pretty simple, the hard part is coming up with the categories you need and deciding what goes where. There's a lot of grunt work in cataloging.

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                                        • J jmaida

                                          Remote controls are famous for vanishing into another dimension only to be reborn after you have replaced them. Just happened last Friday, I swear. Had to replace 2 different remotes, TV and Roku. Old ones haven't been been found so still in another dimension.

                                          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                          Was thinking of an 'innovative idea'. Now that everything is smart, why don't they introduce a 'Beep Remote' button on the TV set, which when pressed, causes the remote to beep from wherever it is, within a certain radius. Or, is such a thing already present?

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