Social thing... Do you have similar shit discussions in your country?
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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More than just an advisory in some environments. It's politically correct insanity.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
It was an advisory with some suggestions.
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Same here in the UK. A recent communicatiom suggested the term "vagina" be replaced by "bonus hole". I despair of the idiots in charge.
Seriously? That sounds like a frat boy expression X|
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Seriously? That sounds like a frat boy expression X|
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I use the restroom that won't scare people. Has nothing to do with my chromosomes and everything to do with not causing a scene. It wouldn't be logical to go by chromosomes because you can't blood test everyone you meet.
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
I can understand the "Rachel's parent/caregiver" especially if you do not know Rachel's home situation. She might be in a single parent home living with only her Dad. She might even be in the foster program and living with foster parents. If Fred wants to be identified as female, I personally don't like it but fine, just don't compete in athletics against biological females. I'm going to stop there before I get into trouble.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs.
Pretty much this. What the snowflakes want others to call them is another matter. My simplistic, perhpas naive mind goes something like this. Say you've just been diagnosed with a potentially fatal disease. Two medical procedures exist. One is certain to kill a man, but save a woman. The other will kill a woman, but save a man. When the doctor asks you which procedure you want to have, I think your choice of pronouns is gonna be the first thing out the window, no...?
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I can understand the "Rachel's parent/caregiver" especially if you do not know Rachel's home situation. She might be in a single parent home living with only her Dad. She might even be in the foster program and living with foster parents. If Fred wants to be identified as female, I personally don't like it but fine, just don't compete in athletics against biological females. I'm going to stop there before I get into trouble.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
MarkTJohnson wrote:
I'm going to stop there before I get into trouble.
That's a huge part of the problem, isn't it? You'd like to express an opinion, but abstain from doing so out of fear someone's gonna get upset. We're not gonna get anywhere, ever, if there's no tolerance.
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
I'm going to stop there before I get into trouble.
That's a huge part of the problem, isn't it? You'd like to express an opinion, but abstain from doing so out of fear someone's gonna get upset. We're not gonna get anywhere, ever, if there's no tolerance.
That a little bit, more though I don't have the time nor energy to expend on an argument that won't change anyone's mind, and the Soapbox no longer exists.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
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0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
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I wonder how many CPians are just staying out of this, since this is a huge soapbox issue?
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
I'm surprised the thread even got this far and I am expecting to have my bank account closed, to be denounced by my government and to face a struggle session just for posting this :laugh:
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
I think the world is more complex than "left" and / or "right" ... which neither side seems to grasp.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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It was an advisory with some suggestions.
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It might be an advisory, but when people can get sued for lingual discrimination only because you used the generic term (THAT STILL IS IN THE OFFICIAL GRAMATIC) or you get forced to write using the new idiotic forms to include all "genders" what actually makes technical documentation almost unreadable... or... or... they are definitivelly not only suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I do not defend the use of the masculine as generic. I would be equally happy writing a sentence at the beginning and saying "for readability we are going to use only the femenine across the whole document". What bugs me is to have to use "Lerher(n):in-nen" to say "teachers" referring me to "teacher singular [m](plural [m]):singular(f)-plural(f)" = combination of "Lehrer, Lehrern, Lehrerin, Lehrerinnen" because to use the generic masculine form "Lehrern" to englobe all is discriminatory / sexist. And yes, I have already got a document rejected due to not properly using "gendern", the german word to write that monstruosity that not even are "regulated. Some would write it as I did, others write it as "Lehrer_innen", others "Lehrern:innen"... You read a sentence and have to remove al that crap mentally to get the actual sense of what you are reading. In this case I envy english, the gramatic is way easier with mostly only one word for both and distinguising only between singular and plurar. You spare a big headache.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That a little bit, more though I don't have the time nor energy to expend on an argument that won't change anyone's mind, and the Soapbox no longer exists.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I wonder how many CPians are just staying out of this, since this is a huge soapbox issue?
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
One thing AI does, is make you think harder about what you say in order to get past the "classification" that either accepts or rejects one's contributions based on who's AI is moderating the discussion / posting.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
obermd wrote:
I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
Believe me... that is not only about the american left. Spanish one is in some things worse than american.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.