Browser Crap
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You're going to find yourself very limited in what you can access. Most sites that create dynamic content use at least *SOME* scripting.
Don't you really mean that I'm not going to get the benefit from the constant pop-up bullsh/t we all have to put up with nowadays? I don't understand why any scripting has to be pushed onto my system (instead of running completely on the server). This ain't progress - it's intrusion. DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hey Chris, how much of Code Project would I not be able to see if I omitted all JavaScript, Java, and ActiveXcrement support in my browser?
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Don't you really mean that I'm not going to get the benefit from the constant pop-up bullsh/t we all have to put up with nowadays? I don't understand why any scripting has to be pushed onto my system (instead of running completely on the server). This ain't progress - it's intrusion. DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hey Chris, how much of Code Project would I not be able to see if I omitted all JavaScript, Java, and ActiveXcrement support in my browser?
DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hmmmmm.... Have you ever heard of w3c? BTW, what are the evil thing with DHTML. I guess you don't like innovation, and prefer VI to edit source files... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Don't you really mean that I'm not going to get the benefit from the constant pop-up bullsh/t we all have to put up with nowadays? I don't understand why any scripting has to be pushed onto my system (instead of running completely on the server). This ain't progress - it's intrusion. DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hey Chris, how much of Code Project would I not be able to see if I omitted all JavaScript, Java, and ActiveXcrement support in my browser?
The greatest part of these forums is implemented using DHTML (showing/hiding messages without having to go to a separate page for each one). If you disabled JavaScript, you'd have to download a new page for every message you wanted to view. It would be just like using Netscape to view Code Project. The best way to get rid of those popups would be to somehow disable the OnLoad() JavaScript handler, but I'm not sure you can do that without actually disabling all JavaScript commands. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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The greatest part of these forums is implemented using DHTML (showing/hiding messages without having to go to a separate page for each one). If you disabled JavaScript, you'd have to download a new page for every message you wanted to view. It would be just like using Netscape to view Code Project. The best way to get rid of those popups would be to somehow disable the OnLoad() JavaScript handler, but I'm not sure you can do that without actually disabling all JavaScript commands. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
The best way to get rid of those popups would be to somehow disable the OnLoad() JavaScript handler, but I'm not sure you can do that without actually disabling all JavaScript commands. I retract this statement because the popups/-unders are getting smarter. Some are no longer loaded in the OnLoad() handler, but in inline scripts. Funky. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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The best way to get rid of those popups would be to somehow disable the OnLoad() JavaScript handler, but I'm not sure you can do that without actually disabling all JavaScript commands. I retract this statement because the popups/-unders are getting smarter. Some are no longer loaded in the OnLoad() handler, but in inline scripts. Funky. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
I have been a longtime reader of CodeProject but have never posted. However, I couldn't resist responding to this thread... You see my company, Capital Intellect, has developed a new web browser - Research-Desk - that incorporates many advanced features: * A tabbed / MDI user interface * Use the full capabilities of Microsoft Word (incl. grammar and spell checks) to enter and edit text in web page text areas (such as the one I am using to make this post) * Our patent pending PopSmart(TM) technology intelligently distinguishes between "desirable" and "undesirable" popups and blocks undesirable popups while letting desirable ones through. * Save complete web pages with our patent pending PageSnap(TM) technology. Creates a zip file with the entire contents of the page - links, images, stylesheets, images, frames, everything. Even saves HTTPS pages so that you can archive online transaction receipts. It saves web pages 10x faster than IE (it does not re-download the web page), and successfully saves many pages that IE can't. * Integrated File Transfer Manager streams HTTP and FTP file transfers in the background * Integrated Zip and Unzip * All the popular features from IE - AutoComplete address bar, AutoFill web forms, History and Favorites Explorer Bars, etc. Now, I am biased and could go on like this for at least 10 or 20 pages ;) but I will mercifully stop. So, if you guys have the time to try it out, download a technology preview version of it (30 day time limited) from www.capitalintellect.net. I would love some feedback (feedback@capitalintellect.net). Tucows has reviewed at http://www.tucows.com/business/preview/213961.html :) :) Jon
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I have been a longtime reader of CodeProject but have never posted. However, I couldn't resist responding to this thread... You see my company, Capital Intellect, has developed a new web browser - Research-Desk - that incorporates many advanced features: * A tabbed / MDI user interface * Use the full capabilities of Microsoft Word (incl. grammar and spell checks) to enter and edit text in web page text areas (such as the one I am using to make this post) * Our patent pending PopSmart(TM) technology intelligently distinguishes between "desirable" and "undesirable" popups and blocks undesirable popups while letting desirable ones through. * Save complete web pages with our patent pending PageSnap(TM) technology. Creates a zip file with the entire contents of the page - links, images, stylesheets, images, frames, everything. Even saves HTTPS pages so that you can archive online transaction receipts. It saves web pages 10x faster than IE (it does not re-download the web page), and successfully saves many pages that IE can't. * Integrated File Transfer Manager streams HTTP and FTP file transfers in the background * Integrated Zip and Unzip * All the popular features from IE - AutoComplete address bar, AutoFill web forms, History and Favorites Explorer Bars, etc. Now, I am biased and could go on like this for at least 10 or 20 pages ;) but I will mercifully stop. So, if you guys have the time to try it out, download a technology preview version of it (30 day time limited) from www.capitalintellect.net. I would love some feedback (feedback@capitalintellect.net). Tucows has reviewed at http://www.tucows.com/business/preview/213961.html :) :) Jon
* Our patent pending PopSmart(TM) technology intelligently distinguishes between "desirable" and "undesirable" popups and blocks undesirable popups while letting desirable ones through. * Save complete web pages with our patent pending PageSnap(TM) technology. Creates a zip file with the entire contents of the page - links, images, stylesheets, images, frames, everything. Even saves HTTPS pages so that you can archive online transaction receipts. It saves web pages 10x faster than IE (it does not re-download the web page), and successfully saves many pages that IE can't.
Patent pending? You're claiming a patent on (a) relatively trivial filtering of Javascript and (b) the even more trivial process of copying from a cached version of a page rather than redownloading? Oh, please.
Andy Hassall (andy@andyh.org) Space - disk usage analysis tool
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* Our patent pending PopSmart(TM) technology intelligently distinguishes between "desirable" and "undesirable" popups and blocks undesirable popups while letting desirable ones through. * Save complete web pages with our patent pending PageSnap(TM) technology. Creates a zip file with the entire contents of the page - links, images, stylesheets, images, frames, everything. Even saves HTTPS pages so that you can archive online transaction receipts. It saves web pages 10x faster than IE (it does not re-download the web page), and successfully saves many pages that IE can't.
Patent pending? You're claiming a patent on (a) relatively trivial filtering of Javascript and (b) the even more trivial process of copying from a cached version of a page rather than redownloading? Oh, please.
Andy Hassall (andy@andyh.org) Space - disk usage analysis tool
Andy, Yes the patents have been filed and we expect that they will be granted. The PageSnap patents relate to the page parsing logic that includes rewriting the HTML/DHTML and JavaScript/VBScript code that constitutes the web page. This enables saved web pages to function properly even from the local disk. PopSmart technology intelligently distinguishes between good and bad popups - for example, if the user clicks on a banner ad, the banner ad will be allowed to open in a new window. But, if the banner ad popups open a new window on its own, the popup is blocked. The PopSmart patent is also based on our web page parsing engine. Jon www.capitalintellect.net :) :) Jon L.
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Don't you really mean that I'm not going to get the benefit from the constant pop-up bullsh/t we all have to put up with nowadays? I don't understand why any scripting has to be pushed onto my system (instead of running completely on the server). This ain't progress - it's intrusion. DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hey Chris, how much of Code Project would I not be able to see if I omitted all JavaScript, Java, and ActiveXcrement support in my browser?
Hey John, I agree with you about popup windows. There's an app out there (forget it's name sorry) that sits in your tray and blocks popup windows from websites. Very cool and easy to use. DHTML is really, really handy if used correctly (form validation, these forums, navigation aids like menus) but like any tool it can be abused. If you turned off everything (script, Java, ActiveX) then CodeProject would still work perfectly for you. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Hey John, I agree with you about popup windows. There's an app out there (forget it's name sorry) that sits in your tray and blocks popup windows from websites. Very cool and easy to use. DHTML is really, really handy if used correctly (form validation, these forums, navigation aids like menus) but like any tool it can be abused. If you turned off everything (script, Java, ActiveX) then CodeProject would still work perfectly for you. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Does anyone want to write a browser that strips all the java/javascript/activex out before displaying a web page?
Isn't it much more simple writing a proxy server that filters the things you don't want to see ? This way, the user can keep using the browser he/she likes to use (statistically proved: IE) :rolleyes: Furor fit laesa saepius patientia
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Andy, Yes the patents have been filed and we expect that they will be granted. The PageSnap patents relate to the page parsing logic that includes rewriting the HTML/DHTML and JavaScript/VBScript code that constitutes the web page. This enables saved web pages to function properly even from the local disk. PopSmart technology intelligently distinguishes between good and bad popups - for example, if the user clicks on a banner ad, the banner ad will be allowed to open in a new window. But, if the banner ad popups open a new window on its own, the popup is blocked. The PopSmart patent is also based on our web page parsing engine. Jon www.capitalintellect.net :) :) Jon L.
Funny, the Opera browser has a setting 'Allow documents to create windows'. Lovely little feature. No longer do ads popup and steal focus. Evil little things that they are. Occasionally, the browser will forward to an ad (this happens on Amazon a bit), though there may be a setting that will allow me to prevent this. I love Opera. OT, a patent cannot be granted if there is prior work available that uses the technique. Parsing, and preventing popups are both prior works, and possibly not patentable (though the US Patent office appears to have the ability to understand technical issues equivalent to a mentally challenged snail hence some of the stupid patents that have got through over the last few years). You may be able to patent an algorithm, but the idea of intelligently blocking popups is unpatentable. If someone else does it using a different method, you cant stop them. At least I hope you cant.
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I have been a longtime reader of CodeProject but have never posted. However, I couldn't resist responding to this thread... You see my company, Capital Intellect, has developed a new web browser - Research-Desk - that incorporates many advanced features: * A tabbed / MDI user interface * Use the full capabilities of Microsoft Word (incl. grammar and spell checks) to enter and edit text in web page text areas (such as the one I am using to make this post) * Our patent pending PopSmart(TM) technology intelligently distinguishes between "desirable" and "undesirable" popups and blocks undesirable popups while letting desirable ones through. * Save complete web pages with our patent pending PageSnap(TM) technology. Creates a zip file with the entire contents of the page - links, images, stylesheets, images, frames, everything. Even saves HTTPS pages so that you can archive online transaction receipts. It saves web pages 10x faster than IE (it does not re-download the web page), and successfully saves many pages that IE can't. * Integrated File Transfer Manager streams HTTP and FTP file transfers in the background * Integrated Zip and Unzip * All the popular features from IE - AutoComplete address bar, AutoFill web forms, History and Favorites Explorer Bars, etc. Now, I am biased and could go on like this for at least 10 or 20 pages ;) but I will mercifully stop. So, if you guys have the time to try it out, download a technology preview version of it (30 day time limited) from www.capitalintellect.net. I would love some feedback (feedback@capitalintellect.net). Tucows has reviewed at http://www.tucows.com/business/preview/213961.html :) :) Jon
First off, are there any NON-tucows reviews? Not to be dissing a internet hallmark (ok, so I am) but Tucows has really gone down in my books. They seem to be revenue driven as opposed to offering unbiased reviews (not saying CapitalIntellect have done this though.) Anyways... On the topic of new browsers etc. my personal opinion is that most new browsers (or Nutscraper for that matter) should license or use the Internet Explorer engine (because it is damned good) and rather focus on the browser interface, features etc. This way we could all choose the browser we like the most (for whatever reasons) and yet have a standard core engine which renders websites in the same way. Personally I would pick the lightest, most focused browser. All these features (like the media bar in IE6, PLEASE! how lame) are just gloss and floss. Leave it to the website to generate the interest and functionality. Does anyone know of any open-source browser engines (apart from Mozilla/Gecko which seems to be on a rickety bridge)? regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Does anyone want to write a browser that strips all the java/javascript/activex out before displaying a web page?
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DHTML is a microsoft thing, not an internet thing. Hmmmmm.... Have you ever heard of w3c? BTW, what are the evil thing with DHTML. I guess you don't like innovation, and prefer VI to edit source files... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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The best way to get rid of those popups would be to somehow disable the OnLoad() JavaScript handler, but I'm not sure you can do that without actually disabling all JavaScript commands. I retract this statement because the popups/-unders are getting smarter. Some are no longer loaded in the OnLoad() handler, but in inline scripts. Funky. Jon Sagara Sagara Software
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Hey John, I agree with you about popup windows. There's an app out there (forget it's name sorry) that sits in your tray and blocks popup windows from websites. Very cool and easy to use. DHTML is really, really handy if used correctly (form validation, these forums, navigation aids like menus) but like any tool it can be abused. If you turned off everything (script, Java, ActiveX) then CodeProject would still work perfectly for you. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Isn't it much more simple writing a proxy server that filters the things you don't want to see ? This way, the user can keep using the browser he/she likes to use (statistically proved: IE) :rolleyes: Furor fit laesa saepius patientia
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DHTML may be innovative to someone, but in most implementations, it's intrusive to me. Clear and simple. DHTML came right out of Microsoft.
In most cases I love DHTML. It makes it a lot faster to read this forum. :) Yes, MS invented DHTML, but today it's a w3c standard. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"