I have been eagerly waiting for this
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
What about a powerful Chromebook? See: Android development | ChromeOS for developers[^]
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What about a powerful Chromebook? See: Android development | ChromeOS for developers[^]
No thanks. As I understand a Chromebook can run Android apps on the ChromeOS. I want a PC that will run Android apps on the Android Operating System. The Android OS is in a league of its own. Last time I checked there were more devices on earth running Android than Windows and Apple iOS combined. Granted they are mostly phones, but that may change when Android becomes available on proper PCs. Who knows?
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
What's to like so much about Android? I own, and have seen, multiple devices that, even after factory resets, hang/freeze/stutter/are sluggish and are simply not reliable enough to do anything of any sort of importance. Like, things obviously out of application control (even before any third-party app has any chance to launch); these failings have to come from the OS itself. I've never owned a reliable/stable Android device - even when brand new - and people are still, to this day, bringing me recent Android devices, and they're still as likely to crash / need frequent resets as my old ones. I've come to accept it as normal for Android and concluded the OS has to be such as mess it's just unsalvageable at this point...kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashes back in the day. Is my perception wrong, and people can honestly say they have positive experiences with their Android tablets/phones? (and if they do, do they just have such low expectations??) I'd love to be proven wrong. My experience, every time I come in contact with an Android phone, says otherwise.
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What's to like so much about Android? I own, and have seen, multiple devices that, even after factory resets, hang/freeze/stutter/are sluggish and are simply not reliable enough to do anything of any sort of importance. Like, things obviously out of application control (even before any third-party app has any chance to launch); these failings have to come from the OS itself. I've never owned a reliable/stable Android device - even when brand new - and people are still, to this day, bringing me recent Android devices, and they're still as likely to crash / need frequent resets as my old ones. I've come to accept it as normal for Android and concluded the OS has to be such as mess it's just unsalvageable at this point...kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashes back in the day. Is my perception wrong, and people can honestly say they have positive experiences with their Android tablets/phones? (and if they do, do they just have such low expectations??) I'd love to be proven wrong. My experience, every time I come in contact with an Android phone, says otherwise.
My experience on the whole has been very positive. I've owned 6 or 7 different Android phones (Motorolas, LGs, Samsungs and now a Pixel 6 Pro). I switched to Android when Palm died. My wife started with an iPhone 4 but switched to Android after all the trouble she had with it (mostly Samsungs, maybe 1 LG). I've owned 3 different Samsung tablets. I've been pleased with all of them. Upgrading every few years to stay with the newer Android versions. I have had the occasional crash but not for a while now. No problems with the Pixel. The LG had issues, especially towards the end, but reboots always fixed it. Annoying but they were seldom so I lived with it until I upgraded to the P6 a year+ ago. It may come down to how I use it. The phone is used as a phone, GPS, text messaging, idle browsing, calendar, email. The tablet for browsing, some shopping, email, texting, calendar, entertainment (crosswords, wordle, etc.), CP. No dev, no gaming, nothing really hard core.
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What's to like so much about Android? I own, and have seen, multiple devices that, even after factory resets, hang/freeze/stutter/are sluggish and are simply not reliable enough to do anything of any sort of importance. Like, things obviously out of application control (even before any third-party app has any chance to launch); these failings have to come from the OS itself. I've never owned a reliable/stable Android device - even when brand new - and people are still, to this day, bringing me recent Android devices, and they're still as likely to crash / need frequent resets as my old ones. I've come to accept it as normal for Android and concluded the OS has to be such as mess it's just unsalvageable at this point...kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashes back in the day. Is my perception wrong, and people can honestly say they have positive experiences with their Android tablets/phones? (and if they do, do they just have such low expectations??) I'd love to be proven wrong. My experience, every time I come in contact with an Android phone, says otherwise.
I have had no experience programming Android phones, but I have hundreds of hours programming Android tablets using the Kotlin language. I enjoyed every minute of it! Especially when I started using the Jetpack Compose version of Kotlin. I do have a somewhat old LG Android phone, but no issues with it.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
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What's to like so much about Android? I own, and have seen, multiple devices that, even after factory resets, hang/freeze/stutter/are sluggish and are simply not reliable enough to do anything of any sort of importance. Like, things obviously out of application control (even before any third-party app has any chance to launch); these failings have to come from the OS itself. I've never owned a reliable/stable Android device - even when brand new - and people are still, to this day, bringing me recent Android devices, and they're still as likely to crash / need frequent resets as my old ones. I've come to accept it as normal for Android and concluded the OS has to be such as mess it's just unsalvageable at this point...kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashes back in the day. Is my perception wrong, and people can honestly say they have positive experiences with their Android tablets/phones? (and if they do, do they just have such low expectations??) I'd love to be proven wrong. My experience, every time I come in contact with an Android phone, says otherwise.
dandy72 wrote:
these failings have to come from the OS itself.
Or of course the hardware.
dandy72 wrote:
kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashe
Never seen any OS that didn't crash. To be fair I was very surprised when I saw the blue screen of death several years ago. But that is my own personal computers. Sluggish? See that all the time. Not only dev boxes but on production systems. I deal with distributed systems and I am always being surprised by strange reboots. Not to mention boxes that have a persistent single service failures while other presumably duplicate boxes do not. Those are cloud boxes by the way, so probably as nearly identical as one can get. Things fail. I just plan on that.
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Lenovo to offer Android PCs, starting with an all-in-one • The Register[^] AND: MSN[^] I spent many years programming Windows PCs in C#. But about 3 years ago I started dabbling, first in Java, but then in Android. I really took to Android! The only problem: I could only find Android phones and tablets. I couldn't get a proper desktop PC running Android. When Lenovo brings out their Android PC, I will be one of the first to bite! Android has less bells and whistles, that I don't need. It is lean, mean and fast that I like! Windows have become so bloated with unnecessary stuff that just robs you of performance and add loads of problematical issues that I really don't need.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
It's great to hear that you've found a programming platform you enjoy, like Android, and that you appreciate its simplicity and performance. Many developers have their preferred environments and operating systems based on their specific needs and preferences. Android, with its focus on mobile and touch-based interfaces, has indeed provided a unique development experience.
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My experience on the whole has been very positive. I've owned 6 or 7 different Android phones (Motorolas, LGs, Samsungs and now a Pixel 6 Pro). I switched to Android when Palm died. My wife started with an iPhone 4 but switched to Android after all the trouble she had with it (mostly Samsungs, maybe 1 LG). I've owned 3 different Samsung tablets. I've been pleased with all of them. Upgrading every few years to stay with the newer Android versions. I have had the occasional crash but not for a while now. No problems with the Pixel. The LG had issues, especially towards the end, but reboots always fixed it. Annoying but they were seldom so I lived with it until I upgraded to the P6 a year+ ago. It may come down to how I use it. The phone is used as a phone, GPS, text messaging, idle browsing, calendar, email. The tablet for browsing, some shopping, email, texting, calendar, entertainment (crosswords, wordle, etc.), CP. No dev, no gaming, nothing really hard core.
FreedMalloc wrote:
It may come down to how I use it.
I'd love to narrow it down to that. But, as I said, even after a factory reset - wiped clean of my own data and whatever apps might have been downloaded - the problems persist, even after *the very first reboot*. If a system isn't stable after a factory reset - the equivalent of a full, clean reinstall...then I unfortunately can't attribute that to how I use it. It should at least be stable out of the box...
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I have had no experience programming Android phones, but I have hundreds of hours programming Android tablets using the Kotlin language. I enjoyed every minute of it! Especially when I started using the Jetpack Compose version of Kotlin. I do have a somewhat old LG Android phone, but no issues with it.
Ok, I have had my coffee, so you can all come out now!
Who knows, maybe that's the solution--run everything through an emulator. 'cuz the physical hardware just ain't cutting for me, apparently. I've never programmed anything on Android - I'm not complaining about my apps being unstable on the OS - I'm using Android like the average user, not a developer. How all devices are so crash/freeze-prone for me, in such a consistent way...I have no idea. But that's my experience. I've owned 5 Android devices in total - fool me once, shame on you...fool me 4 more times, I'm an idiot if I continue to buy into the ecosystem and expect a different outcome.
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dandy72 wrote:
these failings have to come from the OS itself.
Or of course the hardware.
dandy72 wrote:
kinda like Windows 3.1's incessant crashe
Never seen any OS that didn't crash. To be fair I was very surprised when I saw the blue screen of death several years ago. But that is my own personal computers. Sluggish? See that all the time. Not only dev boxes but on production systems. I deal with distributed systems and I am always being surprised by strange reboots. Not to mention boxes that have a persistent single service failures while other presumably duplicate boxes do not. Those are cloud boxes by the way, so probably as nearly identical as one can get. Things fail. I just plan on that.
jschell wrote:
Things fail. I just plan on that.
Right, I'm very tolerant and patient (I'm told by less technically-inclined people) when it comes to failures. But it's the sheer number of failures that's causing me to compare Android with Windows 3.x. At some point, you have to cut your losses and rewrite the whole thing from scratch. So how Android works so much better for other people...I really don't know.
