Visual Studio 2022 offline
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Ralf Quint wrote:
I think where you are going in the wrong direction is to think that an "air-gapped dev system" is something bad, there "there is something wrong with that picture".
It's not that I think it's "wrong", it's that based on my experience with MS's development tools, they make your life kinda miserable if you are offline.
Ralf Quint wrote:
I think it is an absolute fallacy these days that so many people think that everything is "in the cloud", "needs to be connected to the Internet".
I hope I didn't give the wrong impression--I'm entirely with you. I have a slow internet connection here at home, and I'm the guy who still, to this day, will always raise his hand and ask "how well will this work for those who are offline"...I despise products that assume you'll always be connected. I despise products that assume they'll be running on the fastest CPU with tons of memory and disk/network latency isn't a consideration, and they'll be the only products running on a system.
Well, this is one (of several) reasons why I do not use any MS development tools. Microsoft has completely lost touch with reality, and unfortunately, a lot of people just keep following anyway, like the lemmings...
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Well, this is one (of several) reasons why I do not use any MS development tools. Microsoft has completely lost touch with reality, and unfortunately, a lot of people just keep following anyway, like the lemmings...
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Name one equivalent to VS - despite all its flaws. I don't think anyone's being a lemming.
Define "equivalent to VS". And all the people that think that everything has to be on .NET and/or use VS, yes, they are lemmings. Or at least blind horses with blinders on. I do all my development for years now (kind of always have) in Object Pascal and the Lazarus IDE (Delphi before that), which runs identically on Windows, Linux, macOS and then some. Much less cruft than it comes with VS (or Eclipse, ), much more straight forward and much faster...
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Define "equivalent to VS". And all the people that think that everything has to be on .NET and/or use VS, yes, they are lemmings. Or at least blind horses with blinders on. I do all my development for years now (kind of always have) in Object Pascal and the Lazarus IDE (Delphi before that), which runs identically on Windows, Linux, macOS and then some. Much less cruft than it comes with VS (or Eclipse, ), much more straight forward and much faster...
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Yeah, you're new around here and don't know much about the types of developers that hang around here...
New around here? Nope, not really.
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New around here? Nope, not really.
Barely over a year, yes, you're new. The old timers around here tend to agree - this has been discussed many, many times over. As much as most hate VS, there's really no good replacement for it. And I think you'll find that most developers here focus on Windows and .NET - specifically, C#. And they don't make the mistake of comparing apples with oranges. Calling that bunch "lemmings" will make you rather unpopular, rather quickly around these parts.
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Barely over a year, yes, you're new. The old timers around here tend to agree - this has been discussed many, many times over. As much as most hate VS, there's really no good replacement for it. And I think you'll find that most developers here focus on Windows and .NET - specifically, C#. And they don't make the mistake of comparing apples with oranges. Calling that bunch "lemmings" will make you rather unpopular, rather quickly around these parts.
dandy72 wrote:
Barely over a year, yes, you're new.
Well, not sure where you got that info from, but you are certainly wrong. It's more likely around 7 or 8 years. But anyway, if having a different opinion (and practical experience) isn't appreciated by some, oh well, so be it...
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dandy72 wrote:
Barely over a year, yes, you're new.
Well, not sure where you got that info from, but you are certainly wrong. It's more likely around 7 or 8 years. But anyway, if having a different opinion (and practical experience) isn't appreciated by some, oh well, so be it...
Ralf Quint wrote:
Well, not sure where you got that info from, but you are certainly wrong. It's more likely around 7 or 8 years.
Have you changed profiles? Because [yours](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=15683581) says you've only been on since June 22 of last year.
Ralf Quint wrote:
if having a different opinion (and practical experience) isn't appreciated by some, oh well, so be it..
It's not "having different opinion" that gets me, it's someone showing up on a very-much Windows/C#/.NET developer-centric web site, and calling VS users lemmings.
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Ralf Quint wrote:
Well, not sure where you got that info from, but you are certainly wrong. It's more likely around 7 or 8 years.
Have you changed profiles? Because [yours](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/View.aspx?mid=15683581) says you've only been on since June 22 of last year.
Ralf Quint wrote:
if having a different opinion (and practical experience) isn't appreciated by some, oh well, so be it..
It's not "having different opinion" that gets me, it's someone showing up on a very-much Windows/C#/.NET developer-centric web site, and calling VS users lemmings.
dandy72 wrote:
Have you changed profiles? Because yours says you've only been on since June 22 of last year.
The oldest email from the CodeProject's "Daily News" here in my email folder is actually from 08/20/2009. I think I changed the email address once, but even that is several years ago, that's probably the 7 or 8 years that I mentioned before...
dandy72 wrote:
It's not "having different opinion" that gets me, it's someone showing up on a very-much Windows/C#/.NET developer-centric web site, and calling VS users lemmings.
Please go back and see what the OP of this thread is about, programming offline. And that is something that VS is simply unsuited for. If someone insists on using it anyway, because that's the only tool (s)he knows, then I would consider the comparison to lemmings fitting...
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dandy72 wrote:
Have you changed profiles? Because yours says you've only been on since June 22 of last year.
The oldest email from the CodeProject's "Daily News" here in my email folder is actually from 08/20/2009. I think I changed the email address once, but even that is several years ago, that's probably the 7 or 8 years that I mentioned before...
dandy72 wrote:
It's not "having different opinion" that gets me, it's someone showing up on a very-much Windows/C#/.NET developer-centric web site, and calling VS users lemmings.
Please go back and see what the OP of this thread is about, programming offline. And that is something that VS is simply unsuited for. If someone insists on using it anyway, because that's the only tool (s)he knows, then I would consider the comparison to lemmings fitting...
My previous response included a link to the details of your profile (the "yours" in "because yours says[...]"
Ralf Quint wrote:
If someone insists on using it anyway, because that's the only tool (s)he knows, then I would consider the comparison to lemmings fitting...
Now you're just being a child. VS has--literally--millions of users, and it's often the *only* tool that will work - for example - with the latest .NET release. You think people will forego its use just because it doesn't work offline as well as it could?