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"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

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  • S StarNamer work

    Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

    From MS Teams:

    The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

    I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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    Takes me back 45+ years. Use XYZZY all the time in conversation and almost no one understands the reference but they use it too. Adventure!

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    • S StarNamer work

      Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

      From MS Teams:

      The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

      I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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      jims_44
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      I remember playing Colossal Cave on a DEC mainframe via 300 baud modem and a Soroc terminal! Those were the days! What was “PLUGH” used for???

      Old timer

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      • S StarNamer work

        Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

        From MS Teams:

        The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

        I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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        Al Fargnoli
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        I met that phrase in the late 1970s. It also told me "Fie! You're no wizard!"

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        • E englebart

          I know it as “Colossal Cave”. It was available as an Android app on Amazon’s app store a few years back. Did you also tell them that the Guaranteed Escape for that maze (versus the “all different” maze) was North North North Up Down I first saw the game at the local Junior College on its HP 3000 mini which was the size of 2-3 refrigerators circa 1981.

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          Al Fargnoli
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          I found the Star Trek game that I'd played on an IBM 370 as an Android app a few years ago.

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          • S StarNamer work

            Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

            From MS Teams:

            The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

            I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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            ScottTheFortranHacker
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            Naturally I remember my first Adventure in Colossal Cave. Not the date. Probably 1976 after 11 pm in the computer center.

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            • S StarNamer work

              Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

              From MS Teams:

              The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

              I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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              SeattleC
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              Been there, done that. Since 1979. Weirdly enough, so has my wife, who is an accountant, not a software person.

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              • B bryanren

                So much more than gaming. Was told that some college classes were entirely online via PLATO. They showed us a touchscreen application for teaching fractions to littles. I don't know if the vector terminals I saw were the only format. Those were amber.

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                bryanren wrote:

                Was told that some college classes were entirely online via PLATO.

                They certainly marketed it that way.

                bryanren wrote:

                They showed us a touchscreen application for teaching fractions to littles

                I wrote a teaching application on that platform as an independent study course in college. It taught, or at least attempted to, electrical characteristics of a common small circuit. Taught it, gave examples, animated it, gave tests.

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                if the vector terminals I saw were the only format.

                As far as I know/recall there were two terminal types. Couldn't really hook anything else up to the system since it would have been pointless without the specialized hardware. Googling (wikipedia) suggests that the terminal was vector and character based. That makes sense since I remember using and creating games specifically involved creating a character set to represent the game on the screen. So, if I remember correctly, for the star trek game above each ship had a different character (or could have been two each half and half). Then those were plotted to the screen. The screens were touch screens. But I don't recall doing much with that at all.

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                • A Al Fargnoli

                  I found the Star Trek game that I'd played on an IBM 370 as an Android app a few years ago.

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                  englebart
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                  This one? “Do you think it us wise to use unrefined dilithium crystals?” Y/N 5% initial chance of explosion. doubles each time you do it!

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                    bryanren wrote:

                    Was told that some college classes were entirely online via PLATO.

                    They certainly marketed it that way.

                    bryanren wrote:

                    They showed us a touchscreen application for teaching fractions to littles

                    I wrote a teaching application on that platform as an independent study course in college. It taught, or at least attempted to, electrical characteristics of a common small circuit. Taught it, gave examples, animated it, gave tests.

                    bryanren wrote:

                    if the vector terminals I saw were the only format.

                    As far as I know/recall there were two terminal types. Couldn't really hook anything else up to the system since it would have been pointless without the specialized hardware. Googling (wikipedia) suggests that the terminal was vector and character based. That makes sense since I remember using and creating games specifically involved creating a character set to represent the game on the screen. So, if I remember correctly, for the star trek game above each ship had a different character (or could have been two each half and half). Then those were plotted to the screen. The screens were touch screens. But I don't recall doing much with that at all.

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                    I never saw a Plato terminal myself, but I read about it in Ted Nelson: Computer Lib / Dream Machines. He tells:

                    The internal circuitry that draws the screen
                    is highly capable. Receiving a 20-bitt code,
                    the terminal itself deciphers it as --
                    A LINE ON THE SCREEN, or
                    TWO STANDARD CHARACTERS ON THE SCREEN
                    from its FIXED set character memory, or
                    TWO SPECIAL CHARACTERS ON THE SCREEN
                    from its CHANGEABLE character memory
                    (which can be loaded with Russian,
                    Armenian, katakana, Cherokee or what-
                    ever -- even little pictures -- at the
                    start of the lesson), or
                    A COMMAND TO THE MICROFICHE PROJECTOR, or
                    A COMMAND TO THE AUDIO PLAYER, or
                    A COMMAND TO WHATERVER'S IN THE GENERAL JACK.

                    He also tells: The next generation of Plato terminals is coming down the line. The microfiche projector is withering away, as was easily foreseeable; meantime steps are being taken toward a more high-performance terminal, by putting a computer in it. So it seems like there were at least two generations of Plato terminals, and it could handle both characters and lines - but only pixel on/off, no halftones. The microfiche was projected plasma screen from the back; it gave access to 'unlimited' amounts of text without having to transfer it over the phone line. The touch panel was an option, as was the audio disk. The 'general jack' was an I/O connector, intended for 'all kinds of other devices, such as piano keyboards, to be used for student input'. A terminal cost USD 5000 -- that is mid-1970s dollars. I can't tell exactly the year this was written; my copy states 'Copyright (c) 1974, 1975, 1980', but I believe that the text is unchanged from the original 1974 edition. (It wasn't labeled 'Second edition' until 1987', long after I got my copy.)

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                    • S StarNamer work

                      Yesterday I got a question from one of the junior developers about using search to get something out of our in-house document repository. My reply was:

                      From MS Teams:

                      The starting point is usually one of tag tables... You are in a maze of twisty, little passages, all alike.

                      I had to explain the reference to him. Earlier today, I mentioned this to one of the senior developers, who also didn't recognise it, and, after I explained, commented that he was "minus ten years old" when the source of this was popular. Who else here remembers where this comes from and spent time on it?

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                      In 1978, "Adventure" was the first game I ran on my (then) newly built Heathkit H8 computer -- built while I was an undergrad at a regional campus of Purdue. It's been so long that I can't remember where I got the executable that ran it. I'm not sure if I bought it or if it was freeware from some "dial-up" BBS downloaded at 300 baud on my acoustic coupler modem. Ever since I first set up my home Wi-Fi ages ago, its SSID has been "XYZZY." I'm quite sure none of my neighbors get the reference. I feel so old. Of course, that's because... I am old. ;)

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