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  • R Roger Wright

    Not yet, but I'm about to. Pr0n sites are far more entertaining anyway, and occasionally educational. ;)

    Will Rogers never met me.

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    dandy72
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    Roger Wright wrote:

    Pr0n sites are far more entertaining anyway, and occasionally educational

    LMAO You mean, at your age, there's still things you haven't tried? :-) But then, I suppose no matter who you are, there's always someone crazier.

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    • C Christian Graus

      Is anyone else giving up on social media. Twitter permanently banned me for being politely left wing, and Facebook has me on constant bans because they push things I don't agree with onto my feed and I try to politely discuss them from time to time. Add a constantly flow of fake accounts trying to romance scam me, and I'm pretty much done

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      Mark Starr
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      I deleted my Twitter account in early 2021 (or late 2020?). Never had Facebook, but had Instagram - deleted it at the same time. (Facebook does too much tracking, hence the Insta deletion.) I have a Tumblr account where I keep a number of quotes I’ve liked over the years. Can’t say I like the energy many people give off on those platforms. While there are some good ideas and thoughts put out there, there’s just too much idiocy and anger.

      Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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      • C Christian Graus

        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        Find that hard to believe man. It's more open now than it used to be.

        No, it's more right leaning. It allows more violent hate speech. I got banned for politely telling hate pages the truth about trans kids (for example that they can't access surgery). I didn't argue. I simply corrected hate, There's TONS of Nazis, I ran into open Nazis all the time. That's who it's more open to

        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        FB on a downward spiral. They ban everyone for sneezing.

        Basically. I've had bans for saying men are silly. I got a ban for saying rape is bad. Hate speech against straight white men seems to be what they aggressively target the most. I reported someone openly saying they want to kill all gays and FB said that was allowed

        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        Yeah man, totally agree social media has gotten worse. People forgot how to be people ya know. Too much time inside.

        The world is just less safe. I get scam calls all the time. I lecture my old dad all the time on ways to stay safe

        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        Long time no see btw.

        Thanks. It just occurred to me there's a place I can chat to people and not get banned :)

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        Christian Graus wrote:

        No, it's more right leaning. It allows more violent hate speech. I got banned for politely telling hate pages the truth about trans kids (for example that they can't access surgery). I didn't argue. I simply corrected hate, There's TONS of Nazis, I ran into open Nazis all the time. That's who it's more open to

        Go figure. From my perspective, it allows silly nonsense and over-sensitivity and shuns anyone that has an opposing opinion. Before its recent backlash it got really bad. They've backed off a little. Just so we're on the same page, I don't define "hate speech" as not using someone's pronouns. Not sure who you consider a Nazi btw, assuming we're intelligent enough to not trust the media to tell us who is.

        Christian Graus wrote:

        Basically. I've had bans for saying men are silly. I got a ban for saying rape is bad. Hate speech against straight white men seems to be what they aggressively target the most. I reported someone openly saying they want to kill all gays and FB said that was allowed

        Well, to be fair... that is racist. Not that I think people should be censored at all as I believe in freedom of speech, mind you.

        Christian Graus wrote:

        The world is just less safe. I get scam calls all the time. I lecture my old dad all the time on ways to stay safe

        At least we agree on this. :laugh: The question is... who's to blame for this? Please don't say Trump though; we're supposed to be smarter than the brainwashing TV. I think a lot of this stems from us spending less time outside and talking to other humans, as simple as that may seem.

        Christian Graus wrote:

        Thanks. It just occurred to me there's a place I can chat to people and not get banned

        Well, it's CP so you know... gotta weed out the um... bad stuff. Some people on here still only want to spread poopyness. :laugh: Banning solves nothing though. Maybe. I've blocked people before that were just looking to argue, and that's like a form a banning I guess. But for people that can hold a conversation, it only takes humanity backwards.

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        • C Christian Graus

          Is anyone else giving up on social media. Twitter permanently banned me for being politely left wing, and Facebook has me on constant bans because they push things I don't agree with onto my feed and I try to politely discuss them from time to time. Add a constantly flow of fake accounts trying to romance scam me, and I'm pretty much done

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          Tribel.com seems to be mainly left wing, fwiw. I'm enjoying mastodon a lot, but picking a home server aligned to one of your interests can be important. If you go with one of the huge servers your local feed will be plastered with lots of things you aren't interested in. You can join several servers for different interests, and transfer your account if you find one you like more. I'm still on fb for a couple groups, and friends that are still on there, but mastodon is an entirely different world. No algorithm pushing ads and clickbait, no romance scam friend requests. People tend to have interesting discussions instead of just posting memes. Another thing to look at is the moderation policy on different servers. The good news is that you're likely to be dealing with a real human instead of an idiot algorithm.

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          • J jeron1

            dandy72 wrote:

            I never done any social media, and I'm not missing what I've never had...

            Ditto.

            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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            Miggyfr
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            Ditto 2, many times over, and very happy that I don't suffer the trials and tribulations that many have written about regarding their various social accounts. :-D

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            • C Christian Graus

              Is anyone else giving up on social media. Twitter permanently banned me for being politely left wing, and Facebook has me on constant bans because they push things I don't agree with onto my feed and I try to politely discuss them from time to time. Add a constantly flow of fake accounts trying to romance scam me, and I'm pretty much done

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              Juan Pablo Reyes Altamirano
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              I haven't exactly quit twitter/X or Facebook but I have gone back to using as I saw them in the beginning. Facebook is a modernish phonebook. Twitter/X is little more than a broadcasted SMS service. So, if people truly want to communicate with me, there's always a way to ask for my phone number in person, and you have the option of calling, texting or setting up a one to one meeting at a cafe for a serious discussion (or facetime me if you're more than 600 km away by land) As for news...I have a wealth of online newspapers at my disposal.

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              • D dandy72

                Do you feel like you'd be missing out? I never done any social media, and I'm not missing what I've never had...

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                I've actively avoided social media. I have enough useless activities (games :) )of my own to want to waste time on social media. Making comments on a couple different forums is about as social as I get on line.

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                  I've actively avoided social media. I have enough useless activities (games :) )of my own to want to waste time on social media. Making comments on a couple different forums is about as social as I get on line.

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                  dandy72
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                  sasadler wrote:

                  I've actively avoided social media.

                  I use Pi-Hole to block ads, and there's a number of Facebook properties that automatically get blocked. I've also manually added *.facebook.com, so even if I *tried* to reach it - the whole site is blocked. And as they say, nothing of value was lost...

                  sasadler wrote:

                  Making comments on a couple different forums is about as social as I get on line.

                  Same. CP is probably the one site where I'm the most active. I also have an account on Discord, but I only use it to talk to very specific people.

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                    sasadler wrote:

                    I've actively avoided social media.

                    I use Pi-Hole to block ads, and there's a number of Facebook properties that automatically get blocked. I've also manually added *.facebook.com, so even if I *tried* to reach it - the whole site is blocked. And as they say, nothing of value was lost...

                    sasadler wrote:

                    Making comments on a couple different forums is about as social as I get on line.

                    Same. CP is probably the one site where I'm the most active. I also have an account on Discord, but I only use it to talk to very specific people.

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                    Yep, I'm running a Pi-Hole too. Seems to work really well.

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      Is anyone else giving up on social media. Twitter permanently banned me for being politely left wing, and Facebook has me on constant bans because they push things I don't agree with onto my feed and I try to politely discuss them from time to time. Add a constantly flow of fake accounts trying to romance scam me, and I'm pretty much done

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                      trønderen
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                      I used to be active on NetNews (aka. Usenet). I didn't give it up; it was more like NetNews itself gave up ... I read a while ago about someone trying to bring it back to life, but I doubt that they will succeed. In my youth, several of my friends (and myself) used the mail service - the original, dead trees based one - to exchange opinions, telling about our activities and such, photocopied to all the others. That died out, too. I think I was the last one to mail out anything to the group, but as the reactions ceased, or I got a two-line private (not to the group) response to a three page letter, I quit. When dead tree mail was replaced with email, we used mailing lists within a few social groups for a few more years. We had increasing problems with some group members knowing nothing about the things we were discussing, invitation to meatings and such. When we ran into those 'deaf' ones (which were increasing in numbers) and asked, the common response was 'I almost never open my email any more - could you rather send me an SMS?' Of course some wanted us to use FB. One of my work mates felt such responsibility for my 'social' life that since I was not on FB, he all the time tried to bring me into the real life, dragging med over to his screen to show me all his new FB postings, and the comments from all his friends. Years ago, people tried to drag me into Second Life. I was somewhat fascinated by their technology: Considering the typical internet line speeds at the time, they managed to create an graphic, interactive UI of impressing quality. The 'social' aspects failed to fascinate me to any significant degree. As far as I know, SL still exists, but I never got around to joining it. Now, FB seems to be on the decline; I would be coming too late to the party. Over the years, there has been a constant flow of reports of censorship, political manipulation and spying on everybody's private lives that has kept me at a distance. I honestly haven't been attracted to any 'social', public net forum since the days of NetNews. My main reason for following CP is to pick up programming and computer info. I do recognize the signatures of several of the active posters, but I do not consider The Lounge a place for meeting 'friends' in any way that resembles meeting real friends in real, physical life.

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                      • J Jeremy Falcon

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        No, it's more right leaning. It allows more violent hate speech. I got banned for politely telling hate pages the truth about trans kids (for example that they can't access surgery). I didn't argue. I simply corrected hate, There's TONS of Nazis, I ran into open Nazis all the time. That's who it's more open to

                        Go figure. From my perspective, it allows silly nonsense and over-sensitivity and shuns anyone that has an opposing opinion. Before its recent backlash it got really bad. They've backed off a little. Just so we're on the same page, I don't define "hate speech" as not using someone's pronouns. Not sure who you consider a Nazi btw, assuming we're intelligent enough to not trust the media to tell us who is.

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Basically. I've had bans for saying men are silly. I got a ban for saying rape is bad. Hate speech against straight white men seems to be what they aggressively target the most. I reported someone openly saying they want to kill all gays and FB said that was allowed

                        Well, to be fair... that is racist. Not that I think people should be censored at all as I believe in freedom of speech, mind you.

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        The world is just less safe. I get scam calls all the time. I lecture my old dad all the time on ways to stay safe

                        At least we agree on this. :laugh: The question is... who's to blame for this? Please don't say Trump though; we're supposed to be smarter than the brainwashing TV. I think a lot of this stems from us spending less time outside and talking to other humans, as simple as that may seem.

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Thanks. It just occurred to me there's a place I can chat to people and not get banned

                        Well, it's CP so you know... gotta weed out the um... bad stuff. Some people on here still only want to spread poopyness. :laugh: Banning solves nothing though. Maybe. I've blocked people before that were just looking to argue, and that's like a form a banning I guess. But for people that can hold a conversation, it only takes humanity backwards.

                        Jeremy Falcon

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                        Christian Graus
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                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                        Just so we're on the same page, I don't define "hate speech" as not using someone's pronouns. Not sure who you consider a Nazi btw, assuming we're intelligent enough to not trust the media to tell us who is.

                        Deliberately setting out to not use someone's pronouns is unkind.. Hate speech is pouring hate on someone.. Nazism is agreeing with Hitler. "First they came for the socialists". In fact they first came for gays and trans kids, it's just that no one minded much. And yeah, the modern right are so stupid, they think Nazis were left wing

                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                        Well, to be fair... that is racist. Not that I think people should be censored at all as I believe in freedom of speech, mind you.

                        I've never said I hate white men, I am one. I'm more saying I've spoken against sexism and rape and got bans And yeah look, I'd prefer even the views I hate to be freely spoken, then they can be discussed and everyone knows where they stand

                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                        At least we agree on this. :laugh: The question is... who's to blame for this? Please don't say Trump though; we're supposed to be smarter than the brainwashing TV. I think a lot of this stems from us spending less time outside and talking to other humans, as simple as that may seem.

                        Well, trump has given voice to modern Fascism obviously. He's enabled hate and made it ok. But he's not to blame for this.. It's the internet . People in other countries can easily call my phone and live outside the law, or try to approach me on the internet. It's a failure of law to keep up with technology.

                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                        I've blocked people before that were just looking to argue, and that's like a form a banning I guess. But for people that can hold a conversation, it only takes humanity backwards.

                        I block people to just stay on social media. If I politely address their claim that my children should be harmed for existing, I get a ban

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                          Tribel.com seems to be mainly left wing, fwiw. I'm enjoying mastodon a lot, but picking a home server aligned to one of your interests can be important. If you go with one of the huge servers your local feed will be plastered with lots of things you aren't interested in. You can join several servers for different interests, and transfer your account if you find one you like more. I'm still on fb for a couple groups, and friends that are still on there, but mastodon is an entirely different world. No algorithm pushing ads and clickbait, no romance scam friend requests. People tend to have interesting discussions instead of just posting memes. Another thing to look at is the moderation policy on different servers. The good news is that you're likely to be dealing with a real human instead of an idiot algorithm.

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                          Christian Graus
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                          I tried mastodon. There's no conflict but it's just not interesting. I have a few friends I've stuck with between accounts who post interesting things and drive good discussion. I don't see how you can avoid romance scams unless you just never make public posts.

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                          • J Juan Pablo Reyes Altamirano

                            I haven't exactly quit twitter/X or Facebook but I have gone back to using as I saw them in the beginning. Facebook is a modernish phonebook. Twitter/X is little more than a broadcasted SMS service. So, if people truly want to communicate with me, there's always a way to ask for my phone number in person, and you have the option of calling, texting or setting up a one to one meeting at a cafe for a serious discussion (or facetime me if you're more than 600 km away by land) As for news...I have a wealth of online newspapers at my disposal.

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                            Christian Graus
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                            Yeah I read the guardian

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                            • T trønderen

                              I used to be active on NetNews (aka. Usenet). I didn't give it up; it was more like NetNews itself gave up ... I read a while ago about someone trying to bring it back to life, but I doubt that they will succeed. In my youth, several of my friends (and myself) used the mail service - the original, dead trees based one - to exchange opinions, telling about our activities and such, photocopied to all the others. That died out, too. I think I was the last one to mail out anything to the group, but as the reactions ceased, or I got a two-line private (not to the group) response to a three page letter, I quit. When dead tree mail was replaced with email, we used mailing lists within a few social groups for a few more years. We had increasing problems with some group members knowing nothing about the things we were discussing, invitation to meatings and such. When we ran into those 'deaf' ones (which were increasing in numbers) and asked, the common response was 'I almost never open my email any more - could you rather send me an SMS?' Of course some wanted us to use FB. One of my work mates felt such responsibility for my 'social' life that since I was not on FB, he all the time tried to bring me into the real life, dragging med over to his screen to show me all his new FB postings, and the comments from all his friends. Years ago, people tried to drag me into Second Life. I was somewhat fascinated by their technology: Considering the typical internet line speeds at the time, they managed to create an graphic, interactive UI of impressing quality. The 'social' aspects failed to fascinate me to any significant degree. As far as I know, SL still exists, but I never got around to joining it. Now, FB seems to be on the decline; I would be coming too late to the party. Over the years, there has been a constant flow of reports of censorship, political manipulation and spying on everybody's private lives that has kept me at a distance. I honestly haven't been attracted to any 'social', public net forum since the days of NetNews. My main reason for following CP is to pick up programming and computer info. I do recognize the signatures of several of the active posters, but I do not consider The Lounge a place for meeting 'friends' in any way that resembles meeting real friends in real, physical life.

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                              Christian Graus
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                              My wife threw me out a few years ago. We're together but don't live together. I'm in a band and that's it. I'd prefer more IRL connection but it's not there Usenet? I was active there in the 90s

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                              • S sasadler

                                Yep, I'm running a Pi-Hole too. Seems to work really well.

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                                I like Pi-Hole a lot, even if only for the fact that all devices on my network go through it, so even phones and tablets (provided you set them up to specify it as a preferred DNS) get all the crap blocked. And a single point for defining the blacklist/whitelist.

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  Just so we're on the same page, I don't define "hate speech" as not using someone's pronouns. Not sure who you consider a Nazi btw, assuming we're intelligent enough to not trust the media to tell us who is.

                                  Deliberately setting out to not use someone's pronouns is unkind.. Hate speech is pouring hate on someone.. Nazism is agreeing with Hitler. "First they came for the socialists". In fact they first came for gays and trans kids, it's just that no one minded much. And yeah, the modern right are so stupid, they think Nazis were left wing

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  Well, to be fair... that is racist. Not that I think people should be censored at all as I believe in freedom of speech, mind you.

                                  I've never said I hate white men, I am one. I'm more saying I've spoken against sexism and rape and got bans And yeah look, I'd prefer even the views I hate to be freely spoken, then they can be discussed and everyone knows where they stand

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  At least we agree on this. :laugh: The question is... who's to blame for this? Please don't say Trump though; we're supposed to be smarter than the brainwashing TV. I think a lot of this stems from us spending less time outside and talking to other humans, as simple as that may seem.

                                  Well, trump has given voice to modern Fascism obviously. He's enabled hate and made it ok. But he's not to blame for this.. It's the internet . People in other countries can easily call my phone and live outside the law, or try to approach me on the internet. It's a failure of law to keep up with technology.

                                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                  I've blocked people before that were just looking to argue, and that's like a form a banning I guess. But for people that can hold a conversation, it only takes humanity backwards.

                                  I block people to just stay on social media. If I politely address their claim that my children should be harmed for existing, I get a ban

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                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  Deliberately setting out to not use someone's pronouns is unkind

                                  So, if I identify as a tree and demand you refer to me as tree/trunk and you refuse because it's nonsense... Does that make you unkind to think I'm mentally ill?

                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  And yeah, the modern right are so stupid, they think Nazis were left wing

                                  Sorry buddy, we're just going to have to disagree on this one. It is the Left acting more like Nazis than the Right man. We'll probably never agree on that. But, at least we can agree on free speech being a good thing. :laugh:

                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  I've never said I hate white men, I am one. I'm more saying I've spoken against sexism and rape and got bans

                                  I think I misread that then. Unfortunately, well you know how the world is right now. We're all too used to jumping the gun these days. FWIW, I think dudes can be stupid too. I mean so can women, but guys are creepier about their desires IMO. So, we agree on this too. :-D

                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  Well, trump has given voice to modern Fascism obviously. He's enabled hate and made it ok

                                  We're going to strongly disagree on this one man. Very strongly. He embodies the American spirit. Does he lack social tact? Sure. But, he's the best thing that's happened in a long while. Weak people can't handle the truth about their shortcomings. They get butthurt too easy. Nothing more. Nothing less. We need more of him and a lot less of the corrupt media brainwashing people while letting the sneaky ones get off clean.

                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  People in other countries can easily call my phone and live outside the law, or try to approach me on the internet. It's a failure of law to keep up with technology.

                                  Side note, dunno we should have a global law though. That's too much power for any single entity. It may sound nice, but would be detrimental in the long run.

                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  I block people to just stay on social media. If I politely address their claim that my children should be harmed for existing, I get a ban

                                  I block peeps too. It's the new thing. :laugh: Not sure what you mean by your kids being harmed, but Left or Right anyone that hurts a kid is a bad person. Not sure what kin

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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    Deliberately setting out to not use someone's pronouns is unkind

                                    So, if I identify as a tree and demand you refer to me as tree/trunk and you refuse because it's nonsense... Does that make you unkind to think I'm mentally ill?

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    And yeah, the modern right are so stupid, they think Nazis were left wing

                                    Sorry buddy, we're just going to have to disagree on this one. It is the Left acting more like Nazis than the Right man. We'll probably never agree on that. But, at least we can agree on free speech being a good thing. :laugh:

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    I've never said I hate white men, I am one. I'm more saying I've spoken against sexism and rape and got bans

                                    I think I misread that then. Unfortunately, well you know how the world is right now. We're all too used to jumping the gun these days. FWIW, I think dudes can be stupid too. I mean so can women, but guys are creepier about their desires IMO. So, we agree on this too. :-D

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    Well, trump has given voice to modern Fascism obviously. He's enabled hate and made it ok

                                    We're going to strongly disagree on this one man. Very strongly. He embodies the American spirit. Does he lack social tact? Sure. But, he's the best thing that's happened in a long while. Weak people can't handle the truth about their shortcomings. They get butthurt too easy. Nothing more. Nothing less. We need more of him and a lot less of the corrupt media brainwashing people while letting the sneaky ones get off clean.

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    People in other countries can easily call my phone and live outside the law, or try to approach me on the internet. It's a failure of law to keep up with technology.

                                    Side note, dunno we should have a global law though. That's too much power for any single entity. It may sound nice, but would be detrimental in the long run.

                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    I block people to just stay on social media. If I politely address their claim that my children should be harmed for existing, I get a ban

                                    I block peeps too. It's the new thing. :laugh: Not sure what you mean by your kids being harmed, but Left or Right anyone that hurts a kid is a bad person. Not sure what kin

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                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    So, if I identify as a tree and demand you refer to me as tree/trunk and you refuse because it's nonsense... Does that make you unkind to think I'm mentally ill?

                                    People have genders. People have pronouns. People are not trees. If you talk to someone, they have a name and a pronoun. Regardless of your sexual insecurity, a decision to use someone's preferred pronoun revolves around manners. Every mental health professional agrees being trans is not a mental illness and every biologist agrees sex and gender are spectrums (ignoring the binary of body parts) and being trans is normal

                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    It is the Left acting more like Nazis than the Right man

                                    The issue here is one of education. Nazis were far right wing. The left might not agree with the right. The left might form loose groups to use force to stop right wing violence. But being violent is not 'being a Nazi'. If it was, Stalin was a Nazi and not the person who defeated the Nazis.

                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    FWIW, I think dudes can be stupid too. I mean so can women, but guys are creepier about their desires IMO. So, we agree on this too. :-D

                                    I'm in singles groups and it's actually sad watching genuinely lonely and probably decent men trying to use the Andrew Tate playbook to try to get laid. While those men call me a beta and so on, I am just kind to people. I was pushed into an open marriage and tons of women were interested in me, because I was not a prick So I think that society has let down men as well as women, for sure

                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    He embodies the American spirit.

                                    I agree the USA was always somewhat fascist, and certainly a global empire. Trump was the dictionary definition of fascism. MAGA is dictionary definition fascism, a promise to return to a mythical past that never was real, by abandoning modern values. Trump destroyed the credibility of the USA on the world stage. Most Australians would favour having no security ties with the USA if he's president again.

                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    Side note, dunno we should have a global law though. That's too much power for any single entity. It may sound nice, but would be detrimental in the long run.

                                    Well, yeah, there's no simple solut

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                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      So, if I identify as a tree and demand you refer to me as tree/trunk and you refuse because it's nonsense... Does that make you unkind to think I'm mentally ill?

                                      People have genders. People have pronouns. People are not trees. If you talk to someone, they have a name and a pronoun. Regardless of your sexual insecurity, a decision to use someone's preferred pronoun revolves around manners. Every mental health professional agrees being trans is not a mental illness and every biologist agrees sex and gender are spectrums (ignoring the binary of body parts) and being trans is normal

                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      It is the Left acting more like Nazis than the Right man

                                      The issue here is one of education. Nazis were far right wing. The left might not agree with the right. The left might form loose groups to use force to stop right wing violence. But being violent is not 'being a Nazi'. If it was, Stalin was a Nazi and not the person who defeated the Nazis.

                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      FWIW, I think dudes can be stupid too. I mean so can women, but guys are creepier about their desires IMO. So, we agree on this too. :-D

                                      I'm in singles groups and it's actually sad watching genuinely lonely and probably decent men trying to use the Andrew Tate playbook to try to get laid. While those men call me a beta and so on, I am just kind to people. I was pushed into an open marriage and tons of women were interested in me, because I was not a prick So I think that society has let down men as well as women, for sure

                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      He embodies the American spirit.

                                      I agree the USA was always somewhat fascist, and certainly a global empire. Trump was the dictionary definition of fascism. MAGA is dictionary definition fascism, a promise to return to a mythical past that never was real, by abandoning modern values. Trump destroyed the credibility of the USA on the world stage. Most Australians would favour having no security ties with the USA if he's president again.

                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      Side note, dunno we should have a global law though. That's too much power for any single entity. It may sound nice, but would be detrimental in the long run.

                                      Well, yeah, there's no simple solut

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                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      People have genders. People have pronouns. People are not trees. If you talk to someone, they have a name and a pronoun. Regardless of your sexual insecurity, a decision to use someone's preferred pronoun revolves around manners. Every mental health professional agrees being trans is not a mental illness and every biologist agrees sex and gender are spectrums (ignoring the binary of body parts) and being trans is normal

                                      That's just it though, this has nothing to do with my sexual insecurity. I promise I've been around the blook way more than most. I do not agree with the philosophy at all that a man can become a woman. He can be girly and that's cool, but it doesn't make him an actual woman. The false credibility of fake professors means nothing. College has gone to crap. It's a joke. It's insanity IMO. This is something no amount of banter will convince me of. However, the Left is trying to make it illegal for me to not use the "correct" pronouns. Surely, any sensible person would be against that, even if we don't agree.

                                      Christian Graus wrote:

                                      The issue here is one of education. Nazis were far right wing. The left might not agree with the right. The left might form loose groups to use force to stop right wing violence. But being violent is not 'being a Nazi'. If it was, Stalin was a Nazi and not the person who defeated the Nazis.

                                      Don't agree man. It's not the Right forcing this newfangled crap down people's throat. It's the Left. 20 years ago, everyone knew where to go pee. This is a Left-wing movement backed by violence. Not sure why the hatred is being justified.

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                                      I'm in singles groups and it's actually sad watching genuinely lonely and probably decent men trying to use the Andrew Tate playbook to try to get laid.

                                      Dude's are gonna be dumb. :laugh: FYI, I don't hate Andrew Tate at all. He's a fool, but he says a lot of good stuff too. Doesn't mean I buy into his overgrown child philosophy though, any mature man sees right through it. But, he's not evil either. I say that knowing I could be full wrong. None of us really know his private life. Just going off what I see on YouTube.

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                                      While those men call me a beta and so on, I am just kind to people. I was pushed into an open marriage and tons of women were interested

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                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        People have genders. People have pronouns. People are not trees. If you talk to someone, they have a name and a pronoun. Regardless of your sexual insecurity, a decision to use someone's preferred pronoun revolves around manners. Every mental health professional agrees being trans is not a mental illness and every biologist agrees sex and gender are spectrums (ignoring the binary of body parts) and being trans is normal

                                        That's just it though, this has nothing to do with my sexual insecurity. I promise I've been around the blook way more than most. I do not agree with the philosophy at all that a man can become a woman. He can be girly and that's cool, but it doesn't make him an actual woman. The false credibility of fake professors means nothing. College has gone to crap. It's a joke. It's insanity IMO. This is something no amount of banter will convince me of. However, the Left is trying to make it illegal for me to not use the "correct" pronouns. Surely, any sensible person would be against that, even if we don't agree.

                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        The issue here is one of education. Nazis were far right wing. The left might not agree with the right. The left might form loose groups to use force to stop right wing violence. But being violent is not 'being a Nazi'. If it was, Stalin was a Nazi and not the person who defeated the Nazis.

                                        Don't agree man. It's not the Right forcing this newfangled crap down people's throat. It's the Left. 20 years ago, everyone knew where to go pee. This is a Left-wing movement backed by violence. Not sure why the hatred is being justified.

                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        I'm in singles groups and it's actually sad watching genuinely lonely and probably decent men trying to use the Andrew Tate playbook to try to get laid.

                                        Dude's are gonna be dumb. :laugh: FYI, I don't hate Andrew Tate at all. He's a fool, but he says a lot of good stuff too. Doesn't mean I buy into his overgrown child philosophy though, any mature man sees right through it. But, he's not evil either. I say that knowing I could be full wrong. None of us really know his private life. Just going off what I see on YouTube.

                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        While those men call me a beta and so on, I am just kind to people. I was pushed into an open marriage and tons of women were interested

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                                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                        t's the mutilation of children while they're still naive enough to believe anything an adult tells them. You can't vote, but you can get an operation without parental consent?

                                        Bingo. I'm deleting the rest to focus on this. Genital surgery is NEVER allowed for children. But because you live in right wing echo chambers, you think that's what gender affirming care is, so you support ending gender affirming care, which doesn't end something we never did, but does end mental support and medication that is life saving. The fact you think trans kids are getting operations disqualifies you from an opinion, I am sorry. You are listening to echo chambers and have never really looked into it

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                                          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                          t's the mutilation of children while they're still naive enough to believe anything an adult tells them. You can't vote, but you can get an operation without parental consent?

                                          Bingo. I'm deleting the rest to focus on this. Genital surgery is NEVER allowed for children. But because you live in right wing echo chambers, you think that's what gender affirming care is, so you support ending gender affirming care, which doesn't end something we never did, but does end mental support and medication that is life saving. The fact you think trans kids are getting operations disqualifies you from an opinion, I am sorry. You are listening to echo chambers and have never really looked into it

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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          The fact you think trans kids are getting operations disqualifies you from an opinion, I am sorry. You are listening to echo chambers and have never really looked into it

                                          Sure I am, but aren't we all? People that hate Trump are doing the same thing. Right or wrong, lies or not, I have seen documentaries suggesting otherwise, over in the US though. Then again, it's the media, so you never know. I do at least try and stay independent, but it's harder and harder to do these days ya know. That being said, that's good to know. IMO a child should not be allowed to make life changing choices like that. They can't drink, smoke, vote, drive and still eat their boogers. They're kids ya know. :laugh: They'll change anything on a whim. I will have to say though, I still disagree with the premise of pretending someone is a boy or girl just because they feel like it. Peeps wanna make it sound like that means a person homophobic, but nope, I love some gay dudes (in a friendly way). It's two diff things. Dunno why we have this all or none concept going on these days. There are girly men and manly women. That doesn't mean they're actually the opposite sex. I realize peeps changed the meaning of the word gender and that's fine. But the two terms are still being conflated. Having a feminine "gender" as a dude doesn't make you a woman. It means you're still a feminine dude. To me, saying otherwise demeans women and the female experience. It's an insult to women to say peeing in women's bathrooms is all it takes to be a woman. Freud would have a field day if he were alive. He always said women had peepee envy. These days apparently, it's the dudes who have never had a masculine influence (not Andrew Tate :laugh:) who envy not having a peepee.

                                          Jeremy Falcon

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