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  • H honey the codewitch

    Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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    snorkie
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    Not quite ashamed, but I started in Cold Fusion 4.5

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    • H honey the codewitch

      Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      Delphi 6. I used it for 2 different jobs. One job was Delphi only from 2004 to 2013. When that job played out (gov't contract not renewed) I reluctantly listed Delphi on my resume. Within the same month my old job ended I was hired as contract to hire at my current job specifically because of Delphi 6 on my resume. I have since transitioned to Java. I do love the colon equals operator for assignment, no if (a = b) instead of if (a == b) mistakes there. I started my career in a similar way, got first job because I knew dBase III+, soon move to Microsoft C 5.1. Yes, that was a long time ago.

      I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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      • H honey the codewitch

        Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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        TNCaver
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        BASIC, in all the flavors I've used since I started this craft: MS-BASIC, GW-BASIC, QuickBasic, PowerBasic, VB 1 for DOS, VB4, VB6, VB.NET. I learned and achieved a lot using it, and have no regrets or embarrassment. My favorite language is the first one I learned, though I've rarely used it: Assembly

        There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
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        A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
           - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)

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        • H honey the codewitch

          Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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          Daniel Pfeffer
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          Languages (both natural and computer) are tools. Would you ask a carpenter whether he/she/it is ashamed of using a hammer? There are languages that are better (or worse) for a particular purpose, and there are languages whose syntax causes me to shudder (e.g. Python's significant indentation), but there is no language that I would feel ashamed to know.

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          • H honey the codewitch

            Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

            Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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            FoxPro... starting from v2.0 for DOS all the way through v2.6 for Windows. :-O

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            • H honey the codewitch

              Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

              Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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              Lost User
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              gwbasic, as it is better than python :)

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              • D Daniel Pfeffer

                Languages (both natural and computer) are tools. Would you ask a carpenter whether he/she/it is ashamed of using a hammer? There are languages that are better (or worse) for a particular purpose, and there are languages whose syntax causes me to shudder (e.g. Python's significant indentation), but there is no language that I would feel ashamed to know.

                Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                honey the codewitch
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                Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                  dandy72
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                  honey the codewitch wrote:

                  Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                  As the son of a mechanic, I'd say, none of these people has ever tried to make a living as a mechanic. Or they're paid by the hour.

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                    Do you secretly love Perl?

                    Certainly not ashamed about it. But I don't expect anyone else in the group to use it or even understand it. If I must create a tool for others to use then I extensively document the usage. And I comment the code extensively too. Not just why the code is doing something but explaining what the code actually does (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)

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                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                      Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                      As the son of a mechanic, I'd say, none of these people has ever tried to make a living as a mechanic. Or they're paid by the hour.

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                      Or really big forearm muscles? Really big.

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                      • H honey the codewitch

                        Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                        pkfox
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                        Youl'd never undo the machine assembled bits without an impact

                        In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                          FoxPro... starting from v2.0 for DOS all the way through v2.6 for Windows. :-O

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                          I worked on the worlds largest and longest running ( to date ) liquidation for 21 years, all the claim handling and payment systems where written in Foxpro for DOS. It performed brilliantly and never let us down.

                          In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                          • D dandy72

                            honey the codewitch wrote:

                            Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'

                            As the son of a mechanic, I'd say, none of these people has ever tried to make a living as a mechanic. Or they're paid by the hour.

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                            honey the codewitch
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                            I'd say they're paid by the hour. :laugh: But I mean, you could extend the analogy to something like C versus VB6 I think.

                            Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                              Youl'd never undo the machine assembled bits without an impact

                              In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                              honey the codewitch
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                              There's nothing you can't undo with enough heat and a long enough lever.

                              Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                There was very little you couldn't do in VB6 I to learnt a lot of Win32 stuff and was introduced to the wonderful world of Com servers and ActiveX. Exciting times.

                                In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                Nagy Vilmos
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                                VB6 was the dogs danglies if you used it well. Absolute dog's dinner in other cases.

                                veni bibi saltavi

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                                • H honey the codewitch

                                  There's nothing you can't undo with enough heat and a long enough lever.

                                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                  pkfox
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                                  True

                                  In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    I'd say they're paid by the hour. :laugh: But I mean, you could extend the analogy to something like C versus VB6 I think.

                                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                    dandy72
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                                    Sure. I was probably being way too literal. :-)

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      gwbasic, as it is better than python :)

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                      Gee Wiz basic

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                                      • S snorkie

                                        Not quite ashamed, but I started in Cold Fusion 4.5

                                        Hogan

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                                        Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                        I know nothing about CF, so please rest assured I am not dissing it, nevertheless, the way you phrased it:

                                        snorkie wrote:

                                        Not quite ashamed, but I started in Cold Fusion 4.5

                                        This is like the quip "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it" :laugh:

                                        Cheers, Vikram.

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                                        • J jschell

                                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                                          Do you secretly love Perl?

                                          Certainly not ashamed about it. But I don't expect anyone else in the group to use it or even understand it. If I must create a tool for others to use then I extensively document the usage. And I comment the code extensively too. Not just why the code is doing something but explaining what the code actually does (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)

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                                          honey the codewitch
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                                          jschell wrote:

                                          (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)

                                          Hey, if it doesn't bother you that it's necessary to do that with Perl, far be it from me to judge. Every time I even read Perl I feel like I need a shower. :laugh:

                                          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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