Do you have a language you're kind of ashamed that you like(d)?
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Languages (both natural and computer) are tools. Would you ask a carpenter whether he/she/it is ashamed of using a hammer? There are languages that are better (or worse) for a particular purpose, and there are languages whose syntax causes me to shudder (e.g. Python's significant indentation), but there is no language that I would feel ashamed to know.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
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Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Do you secretly love Perl?
Certainly not ashamed about it. But I don't expect anyone else in the group to use it or even understand it. If I must create a tool for others to use then I extensively document the usage. And I comment the code extensively too. Not just why the code is doing something but explaining what the code actually does (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
As the son of a mechanic, I'd say, none of these people has ever tried to make a living as a mechanic. Or they're paid by the hour.
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Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
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I worked on the worlds largest and longest running ( to date ) liquidation for 21 years, all the claim handling and payment systems where written in Foxpro for DOS. It performed brilliantly and never let us down.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
As the son of a mechanic, I'd say, none of these people has ever tried to make a living as a mechanic. Or they're paid by the hour.
I'd say they're paid by the hour. :laugh: But I mean, you could extend the analogy to something like C versus VB6 I think.
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Youl'd never undo the machine assembled bits without an impact
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
There's nothing you can't undo with enough heat and a long enough lever.
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There was very little you couldn't do in VB6 I to learnt a lot of Win32 stuff and was introduced to the wonderful world of Com servers and ActiveX. Exciting times.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
VB6 was the dogs danglies if you used it well. Absolute dog's dinner in other cases.
veni bibi saltavi
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There's nothing you can't undo with enough heat and a long enough lever.
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I'd say they're paid by the hour. :laugh: But I mean, you could extend the analogy to something like C versus VB6 I think.
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gwbasic, as it is better than python :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I know nothing about CF, so please rest assured I am not dissing it, nevertheless, the way you phrased it:
snorkie wrote:
Not quite ashamed, but I started in Cold Fusion 4.5
This is like the quip "I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it" :laugh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Do you secretly love Perl?
Certainly not ashamed about it. But I don't expect anyone else in the group to use it or even understand it. If I must create a tool for others to use then I extensively document the usage. And I comment the code extensively too. Not just why the code is doing something but explaining what the code actually does (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)
jschell wrote:
(the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)
Hey, if it doesn't bother you that it's necessary to do that with Perl, far be it from me to judge. Every time I even read Perl I feel like I need a shower. :laugh:
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
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As long as I'm a user of a language, which pays my salary, and not the creator/designer of that language, there's nothing to be ashamed of. Each language has its own beauty and ugliness, and everything in this world is like that, isn't it?
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VB6 was the dogs danglies if you used it well. Absolute dog's dinner in other cases.
veni bibi saltavi
In 1993 I started using a version of Basic that was a lot like todays Assembly, it was a brief but important stepping stone in understanding how stuff works in programming, how instructions are executed one after the other, how loops are created with the go to command etc. I quit trying things with the language shortly afterwards for a few reasons.
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
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I was able to achieve "flow" with COBOL, so no. PERFORM VARYING ... FROM ... BY ... UNTIL ... versus for (int i = 0; i ..) or while ( ... )
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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In 1993 I started using a version of Basic that was a lot like todays Assembly, it was a brief but important stepping stone in understanding how stuff works in programming, how instructions are executed one after the other, how loops are created with the go to command etc. I quit trying things with the language shortly afterwards for a few reasons.
Calin Negru wrote:
a version of Basic that was a lot like todays Assembly
:omg: That seems mighty odd, and purpose defeating for a language called Basic.
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
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It's ancient and dated, but I still have a fondness for hpl, Hewlett Packard's custom language for their early desktop computers. There was a lot that it couldn't do, but there were a couple of things it could do that made it perfect for its intended application. Back in the day, when we had RAM measured in kbits, programs had to be very short. In hpl we had the command
chainthat would save the program state and start a new program where the first left off. This essentially allowed programs to be written that were far larger than the machine could accommodate, up to the limit of the disk space available. A second feature made my in-house reputation as an engineer soar; the keyboard key,storewas storable, and could be executed at runtime. Since I was developing automated missile test software and hardware meant to be used in a noisy factory environment, ambient electrical noise was a constant problem. I wrote a code block that I used in almost all applications that would measure the local noise, run an FFT on the samples, create a custom filter subroutine to remove that noise, then add the resulting filter program to the actual test program as a pre-processor on the measured data. The accuracy of testing was vastly improved. Sadly, hpl met with an untimely death, like all good things, it seems. Unlike every other popular language at the time, its instruction set was entirely lower case, which mainline programmers couldn't accept. If it wasn't written in capital letters, it couldn't possibly be any good. By the time HP introduced the HP9845 desktop computer, hpl became optional, and HPBasic replaced it as standard. Things kinda went downhill after that...Will Rogers never met me.
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Some mechanics look down their nose at impact wrenches. Just sayin'
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... because most still don't torque wheel nuts right (the mechanic or the tool?). You need a breaker bar to loosen them.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
