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Do you have a language you're kind of ashamed that you like(d)?

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  • M MarkTJohnson

    Delphi 6. I used it for 2 different jobs. One job was Delphi only from 2004 to 2013. When that job played out (gov't contract not renewed) I reluctantly listed Delphi on my resume. Within the same month my old job ended I was hired as contract to hire at my current job specifically because of Delphi 6 on my resume. I have since transitioned to Java. I do love the colon equals operator for assignment, no if (a = b) instead of if (a == b) mistakes there. I started my career in a similar way, got first job because I knew dBase III+, soon move to Microsoft C 5.1. Yes, that was a long time ago.

    I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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    Mycroft Holmes
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    Ah I remember Delphi, we built a solution that worked for about 2 hours before the memory leaks crippled it, took the code to Borland and they could not fix it, Delphi died that day along with 3 months of work.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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    • C CPallini

      Latin. (I'll get my coat)

      "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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      StarNamer work
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      I don't think I'm ashamed to say I learnt Latin at school.

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      • H honey the codewitch

        jschell wrote:

        (the sort of comments that should not normally appear in code.)

        Hey, if it doesn't bother you that it's necessary to do that with Perl, far be it from me to judge. Every time I even read Perl I feel like I need a shower. :laugh:

        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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        StarNamer work
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        I recently wrote a script to reset and fix the display layout when I switch between laptops using a KVM switch and multiple USB hubs. I wrote one version in Perl and one in PowerShell. I like the Perl one better. I'm definitely not ashamed to say I still like and use Perl. :)

        @x=qx{pnputil /enum-devices /problem};

        for(@x)
        {
        if(/Instance ID:\s+(.+)/)
        {
        system qq{pnputil /disable-device \"$1\"};
        system qq{pnputil /enable-device \"$1\"}
        }
        }

        pnputil /enum-devices /problem|select-string "Instance ID"|Foreach-object {$_ -match "Instance ID:\s+(?.*)";$x = $matches['root'];Invoke-Expression -Command "pnputil /disable-device ""$x""";}

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        • J jeron1

          My first programming class had Basic like that, I couldn't stand it X| . I blame my instructor for promoting 'spaghetti' code. If I had more than 20 lines, I was completely lost, goto this, goto that... It wasn't until I had FORTRAN 77 that the structured programming possibilities opened up for me :) . Oddly now I do a fair amount of assembler programming for embedded systems.

          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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          Calin Negru
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          30 years later they still teach that stuff.

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            Latin. (I'll get my coat)

            "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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            englebart
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            Watch Barbarians on Amazon streaming. Lots of Latin dialogue from the Roman army. They tend to use a cadence that sounds very Italian to my ear.

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              Gee Wiz basic

              In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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              Lost User
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              Better than Phyton, innit?

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              • H honey the codewitch

                Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                honey the codewitch wrote:

                For me it would definitely be VB6

                Upvoted for being courageous enough to admit this here or on any coder's forum! :thumbsup: I agree 100% with you. VB6 might be old and ugly but as long as MS is shipping the runtimes with the OS, those executables will live on and some developers will continue to support those products/projects. I came back to programming in the late 90s and got my first job doing VB6/Classic ASP development. To keep a long story short, I am still at that company and we still lots of active VB6 projects. (likely > 1M LOC across 2 largish apps and 100 or so 'add-on modules') Those apps are getting migrated as time allows which means very slowly! :laugh: In the past I've hired 2 jr. developers for migration only, but neither worked out. Perhaps I just haven't found the right one...or I'm impossible to work with. :laugh:

                "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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                  honey the codewitch wrote:

                  For me it would definitely be VB6

                  Upvoted for being courageous enough to admit this here or on any coder's forum! :thumbsup: I agree 100% with you. VB6 might be old and ugly but as long as MS is shipping the runtimes with the OS, those executables will live on and some developers will continue to support those products/projects. I came back to programming in the late 90s and got my first job doing VB6/Classic ASP development. To keep a long story short, I am still at that company and we still lots of active VB6 projects. (likely > 1M LOC across 2 largish apps and 100 or so 'add-on modules') Those apps are getting migrated as time allows which means very slowly! :laugh: In the past I've hired 2 jr. developers for migration only, but neither worked out. Perhaps I just haven't found the right one...or I'm impossible to work with. :laugh:

                  "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"

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                  honey the codewitch
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                  If you're still using VB6 and you want to make your apps pretty check this site out vbAccelerator.com - Advanced VB, C# and VB.NET Source Code and Controls[^] He produces some quality controls for VB6 with professional look and feel. It's aces. I learned a lot back in the day from just looking at his code.

                  Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    Chris Maunder
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                    Windows Batch. It's my dirty little secret.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    • M MarkTJohnson

                      Delphi 6. I used it for 2 different jobs. One job was Delphi only from 2004 to 2013. When that job played out (gov't contract not renewed) I reluctantly listed Delphi on my resume. Within the same month my old job ended I was hired as contract to hire at my current job specifically because of Delphi 6 on my resume. I have since transitioned to Java. I do love the colon equals operator for assignment, no if (a = b) instead of if (a == b) mistakes there. I started my career in a similar way, got first job because I knew dBase III+, soon move to Microsoft C 5.1. Yes, that was a long time ago.

                      I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      The first (real) language I learned was Pascal and I still respect the walrus operator. It just always seemed more imperative than plain '='.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      • J jmaida

                        i am only ashamed that i never used basic, vb or otherwise for applications PLI/I, Fortran (lots), Cobol(lots), C(lots and lots) I actually learned Algol and used it for short time. I was in the faster is better application area (computer graphics, numerical anal., simulation)

                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                        Chris Maunder
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                        FORTRAN in itself isn't terrible. Millions of lines of FORTRAN written by scientists who never did any formal computing and just let their systems grow and metastasise...that was torture. Hopefully never again.

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        • S snorkie

                          Not quite ashamed, but I started in Cold Fusion 4.5

                          Hogan

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                          Chris Maunder
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                          I haven't heard that name in many a long year. (Wow I feel old now)

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          • N Nagy Vilmos

                            VB6 was the dogs danglies if you used it well. Absolute dog's dinner in other cases.

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            Chris Maunder
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                            You're a true poet

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                              FORTRAN in itself isn't terrible. Millions of lines of FORTRAN written by scientists who never did any formal computing and just let their systems grow and metastasise...that was torture. Hopefully never again.

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              jmaida
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                              :) agree

                              "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                              • M Mircea Neacsu

                                I wrote myself a Forth interpreter for PDP-11. I thought I’ve seen the light. Ah, the crazy ‘80-es :laugh:

                                Mircea

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                                Uncork
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                                Never be ashamed of Forth

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                                • pkfoxP pkfox

                                  There was very little you couldn't do in VB6 I to learnt a lot of Win32 stuff and was introduced to the wonderful world of Com servers and ActiveX. Exciting times.

                                  In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                  Having been brought up with Fortran IV, I was ecstatic when I learned Clipper in ths MS-DOS world. Windows made me change to VB6 which I used for many years for numerous projects but there is a time when all good things must go. I switched to VB .Net and now to C# but I am still nostalgic about Clipper and VB6

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                                  • H honey the codewitch

                                    Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                    LiamOHagan
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                                    I loved Visual FoxPro. Fast, easy to use, great community. MS killed it to force VFP developers to move to SQL Server. Good business move for MS. A shame for everyone else.

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                                    • H honey the codewitch

                                      Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                                      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                      Peter Gorod
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                                      Biblical Greek...

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                                      • H honey the codewitch

                                        Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                                        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                        seismofish
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                                        I still love Perl and use it almost every day - for everything from system administration to web applications. None of the reasons that the industry typically gives for decrying it seem to affect me: I can still read code that I wrote ten years ago. <°}}}>«<

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                                        • H honey the codewitch

                                          Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.

                                          Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                          b4blue
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                                          Not really. I know JS fanboys wanted me to be ashamed about AS3 for years, but it made web development exciting and fun and it was similar to Java/C# so it made it easier for me to get into .Net after it was no longer popular. Ah... good times.

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