Do you have a language you're kind of ashamed that you like(d)?
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My first programming class had Basic like that, I couldn't stand it X| . I blame my instructor for promoting 'spaghetti' code. If I had more than 20 lines, I was completely lost, goto this, goto that... It wasn't until I had FORTRAN 77 that the structured programming possibilities opened up for me :) . Oddly now I do a fair amount of assembler programming for embedded systems.
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30 years later they still teach that stuff.
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Gee Wiz basic
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
For me it would definitely be VB6
Upvoted for being courageous enough to admit this here or on any coder's forum! :thumbsup: I agree 100% with you. VB6 might be old and ugly but as long as MS is shipping the runtimes with the OS, those executables will live on and some developers will continue to support those products/projects. I came back to programming in the late 90s and got my first job doing VB6/Classic ASP development. To keep a long story short, I am still at that company and we still lots of active VB6 projects. (likely > 1M LOC across 2 largish apps and 100 or so 'add-on modules') Those apps are getting migrated as time allows which means very slowly! :laugh: In the past I've hired 2 jr. developers for migration only, but neither worked out. Perhaps I just haven't found the right one...or I'm impossible to work with. :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
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honey the codewitch wrote:
For me it would definitely be VB6
Upvoted for being courageous enough to admit this here or on any coder's forum! :thumbsup: I agree 100% with you. VB6 might be old and ugly but as long as MS is shipping the runtimes with the OS, those executables will live on and some developers will continue to support those products/projects. I came back to programming in the late 90s and got my first job doing VB6/Classic ASP development. To keep a long story short, I am still at that company and we still lots of active VB6 projects. (likely > 1M LOC across 2 largish apps and 100 or so 'add-on modules') Those apps are getting migrated as time allows which means very slowly! :laugh: In the past I've hired 2 jr. developers for migration only, but neither worked out. Perhaps I just haven't found the right one...or I'm impossible to work with. :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
If you're still using VB6 and you want to make your apps pretty check this site out vbAccelerator.com - Advanced VB, C# and VB.NET Source Code and Controls[^] He produces some quality controls for VB6 with professional look and feel. It's aces. I learned a lot back in the day from just looking at his code.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Windows Batch. It's my dirty little secret.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Delphi 6. I used it for 2 different jobs. One job was Delphi only from 2004 to 2013. When that job played out (gov't contract not renewed) I reluctantly listed Delphi on my resume. Within the same month my old job ended I was hired as contract to hire at my current job specifically because of Delphi 6 on my resume. I have since transitioned to Java. I do love the colon equals operator for assignment, no if (a = b) instead of if (a == b) mistakes there. I started my career in a similar way, got first job because I knew dBase III+, soon move to Microsoft C 5.1. Yes, that was a long time ago.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
The first (real) language I learned was Pascal and I still respect the walrus operator. It just always seemed more imperative than plain '='.
cheers Chris Maunder
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i am only ashamed that i never used basic, vb or otherwise for applications PLI/I, Fortran (lots), Cobol(lots), C(lots and lots) I actually learned Algol and used it for short time. I was in the faster is better application area (computer graphics, numerical anal., simulation)
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger
FORTRAN in itself isn't terrible. Millions of lines of FORTRAN written by scientists who never did any formal computing and just let their systems grow and metastasise...that was torture. Hopefully never again.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I haven't heard that name in many a long year. (Wow I feel old now)
cheers Chris Maunder
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VB6 was the dogs danglies if you used it well. Absolute dog's dinner in other cases.
veni bibi saltavi
You're a true poet
cheers Chris Maunder
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FORTRAN in itself isn't terrible. Millions of lines of FORTRAN written by scientists who never did any formal computing and just let their systems grow and metastasise...that was torture. Hopefully never again.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I wrote myself a Forth interpreter for PDP-11. I thought I’ve seen the light. Ah, the crazy ‘80-es :laugh:
Mircea
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There was very little you couldn't do in VB6 I to learnt a lot of Win32 stuff and was introduced to the wonderful world of Com servers and ActiveX. Exciting times.
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
Having been brought up with Fortran IV, I was ecstatic when I learned Clipper in ths MS-DOS world. Windows made me change to VB6 which I used for many years for numerous projects but there is a time when all good things must go. I switched to VB .Net and now to C# but I am still nostalgic about Clipper and VB6
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
I loved Visual FoxPro. Fast, easy to use, great community. MS killed it to force VFP developers to move to SQL Server. Good business move for MS. A shame for everyone else.
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Biblical Greek...
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
I still love Perl and use it almost every day - for everything from system administration to web applications. None of the reasons that the industry typically gives for decrying it seem to affect me: I can still read code that I wrote ten years ago. <°}}}>«<
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
This is a wonderful question. Really Wonderful. I love all the responses to it as well. In some ways it it is like a confessional. I feel a bit vindicated now. I am not embarrassed by any language that I've used. I started very early and have used most of them. Like you one of the best times was to see if VB6 couldn't do something. Like you, that is where I learnt to be dirty. All the WIN32 stuff. Could do anything that I wanted. It was so much fun. Maybe wasn't as fast as the same in C or C++ of whatever brand alternative. But It was a challenge. I did that also. I, We always got there in the end. It was such fun. Especially where we were told that NO you can't do that with VB6. And then we did. We could do anything. I forget most of it now. Forget Fortran but came back to it later and continued, I loved it, but years ago now. Forget Pascal, Delphi, C, C++ Borland, and all of the basic systems since day dot. Just do C# or VB.net now. Devs have always been critical of certain languages. I can understand. VB in all forms is a classic hate language. It has ON ERROR RESUME NEXT. Allows Goto and Gosub. However it allows free memory so you could make your own IO boards to stick in your computer. Then the OS changed to memory protected. That very thing changed the world. Not in a good way at first but later it did. I hear devs putting shit on all different languages. My favourite was an add from Pornhub advertising positions for PHP programmers. The PHP dev answered: I am Interested but I don't think I'd be comfortable telling my friends and family that's what I do all day. Answer: That is understandable. I don't think I would be comfortable telling may family that I develop PHP either. Look There is no embarrassing language. Some are good and some are not so much. They are all there for a purpose though. The purpose is to get things done. Properly. We all do that. Hopefully. I can understand why devs criticise VB6, but like Nagy Vilmos says, done well it was (Translated from Hungarian) the Bees Nees, Done bad it was DDay. I love it all. Love you.
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Some sort of glue language that maybe everyone loves to hate, but felt right at home for you? Are you a closet Access/VBA junkie? Do you secretly love Perl? For me it would definitely be VB6. As much as I hate to admit it, for Windows UI code that glued my DLLs together, I feel like it was fantastic, even if the language itself was clunky and kind of limited unless you were willing to hack down to win32 from it quite a bit. Still, pretty neat what you could do with it if you were willing to get dirty. I learned a lot of win32 with it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
Clipper 87. The REAL language integrated query.
