Where are the intelligent people?
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Nelek wrote:
Genious tend to be a bit difficult socially, being that much "ahead" mostly isolates them from a good part of people.
Oh I know. I've argued over the years with people like on CP on crap I was 100% correct about before it happens. Most of my experience here has been nothing but arguing with people pretending to be smart.
Nelek wrote:
is that not actually eloquence?
One could argue that being eloquent is a form of intelligence. This is squabbling over semantics man. This is what I'm talking about. People just argue to sound smart but while losing the actual point of the message.
Nelek wrote:
Do not forget the ability to observe, to analyze and to adapt to the surroundings / current situation. I find that the most important part of intelligence.
People should adapt, but not at the expense of becoming dumber or not true to themselves. The fact that I've been trying to adapt means I agree with the idea. But as always, there's going to be a stupid argument on CP, etc. by people who are just not worthy of other people's time. So, there's adaptation and then there's wasting time in life with mindless repetition. Find the balance, else we have no advancement in life.
Nelek wrote:
For me wisdom is the hability to use the knowledge the proper way.
:thumbsup: Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats. So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare.
Jeremy Falcon
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Doesn't someone have to think they are intelligent to decide they can accurately assess the intelligence of others? And what did he say about that? I forgot already. Anyway, if anyone needs to know anything about Jeremy, they just need to read that post.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
if anyone needs to know anything about Jeremy, they just need to read that post.
I can agree with that statement, but we might disagree on what it indicates.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Just want to know where the intelligent people are
They are in cabinet or parliament, whatever you call it from your side.
"Coming soon"
Some quote I saw in the 70s or 80s : "They who are smart enough to run the country are smart enough to stay out of politics." And there's also Douglas Adams' view of politics as well -- "People are a problem".
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats. So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare.
Awww, get a room, you two... :-D
Ha ha ha ha :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Doesn't someone have to think they are intelligent to decide they can accurately assess the intelligence of others? And what did he say about that? I forgot already. Anyway, if anyone needs to know anything about Jeremy, they just need to read that post.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Define intelligent. I've known PHDs that didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end. I've know expert carpenters that couldn't tell you who Einstein was. Intelligence depends on the subject matter, most people could carry on an intelligent conversation in some area.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
Intelligence depends on the subject matter, most people could carry on an intelligent conversation in some area.
I suspect deep subject matter tends to camouflage lack of intelligence, in many cases. Someone who knows SubjectX inside out can discuss it in depth, debate the grey areas, and come across as highly intelligent. However I think true "intelligence" isn't related to depth of subject knowledge, but is related to (1) the ability to take on and understand new knowledge, and (2) to apply knowledge gained in one area to another area. It's to do with making the links from a known to an unknown field, and thereby multiplying the power of the knowledge they have. Finally I believe it requires a moral aspect that can then apply that understanding for the benefit of others. Every once in a while you come across people who have achieved mind-bogglingly vast amounts in a single lifetime. To be able to achieve so much such people not only require great stamina, an outstanding drive to achieve, (and a complete absence of procrastination!) but also the ability to absorb and re-apply skills over and over again. Many people achieve much, but there seems to be a step-change in achievement levels that is barely understandable to mere mortals like myself. (An example that comes to mind is Beatrix Potter. Many people will think of her as a children's book author. However most of her books were not for children; she was also a diarist (written in a cipher of her own invention), painter, illustrator, botanist (specialising in mycology - doing original research on fungal germination and hybridisation and publishing a paper on the subject), conservationist, pioneer of merchandising (her stuffed-toy Peter Rabbit was the very first licensed character), landowner, farmer, sheep breeder and judge, historian and more. All this at a time when women were not expected (and even allowed) to do some of these things; and travelling regularly between London, the Lake District and Scotland.) [See Wikipedia[^]
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Mike Hankey wrote:
Intelligence depends on the subject matter, most people could carry on an intelligent conversation in some area.
I suspect deep subject matter tends to camouflage lack of intelligence, in many cases. Someone who knows SubjectX inside out can discuss it in depth, debate the grey areas, and come across as highly intelligent. However I think true "intelligence" isn't related to depth of subject knowledge, but is related to (1) the ability to take on and understand new knowledge, and (2) to apply knowledge gained in one area to another area. It's to do with making the links from a known to an unknown field, and thereby multiplying the power of the knowledge they have. Finally I believe it requires a moral aspect that can then apply that understanding for the benefit of others. Every once in a while you come across people who have achieved mind-bogglingly vast amounts in a single lifetime. To be able to achieve so much such people not only require great stamina, an outstanding drive to achieve, (and a complete absence of procrastination!) but also the ability to absorb and re-apply skills over and over again. Many people achieve much, but there seems to be a step-change in achievement levels that is barely understandable to mere mortals like myself. (An example that comes to mind is Beatrix Potter. Many people will think of her as a children's book author. However most of her books were not for children; she was also a diarist (written in a cipher of her own invention), painter, illustrator, botanist (specialising in mycology - doing original research on fungal germination and hybridisation and publishing a paper on the subject), conservationist, pioneer of merchandising (her stuffed-toy Peter Rabbit was the very first licensed character), landowner, farmer, sheep breeder and judge, historian and more. All this at a time when women were not expected (and even allowed) to do some of these things; and travelling regularly between London, the Lake District and Scotland.) [See Wikipedia[^]
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I mostly agree but I think the true sign of genius is imagination.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat.
Not interested, sorry.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not
Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett. I'm not bright, nor intelligent. Who says you need be, to become hag of the hills?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Not interested, sorry.
Oops. Now you are in trouble.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett.
I had to look that up. I never read too many of those. The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series. Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either. I like happy endings but I need to be wondering if it will work out that way or not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
nor intelligent
I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn. Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried. I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them. Seems to be working so far.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats. So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare.
Awww, get a room, you two... :-D
If you don't like vouyerism... turn around :laugh:
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Nelek wrote:
Genious tend to be a bit difficult socially, being that much "ahead" mostly isolates them from a good part of people.
Oh I know. I've argued over the years with people like on CP on crap I was 100% correct about before it happens. Most of my experience here has been nothing but arguing with people pretending to be smart.
Nelek wrote:
is that not actually eloquence?
One could argue that being eloquent is a form of intelligence. This is squabbling over semantics man. This is what I'm talking about. People just argue to sound smart but while losing the actual point of the message.
Nelek wrote:
Do not forget the ability to observe, to analyze and to adapt to the surroundings / current situation. I find that the most important part of intelligence.
People should adapt, but not at the expense of becoming dumber or not true to themselves. The fact that I've been trying to adapt means I agree with the idea. But as always, there's going to be a stupid argument on CP, etc. by people who are just not worthy of other people's time. So, there's adaptation and then there's wasting time in life with mindless repetition. Find the balance, else we have no advancement in life.
Nelek wrote:
For me wisdom is the hability to use the knowledge the proper way.
:thumbsup: Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats. So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
People just argue to sound smart but while losing the actual point of the message.
I didn't argue to divert the attention or to be smart. I just asked a question out of curiosity because for me they are not the same. One can be intelligent without being eloquent, viceversa, both or none... they are neither exclusive nor binding to each other. (Not sure if "binding" is the right word here, I hope you understand me)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
People should adapt, but not at the expense of becoming dumber or not true to themselves.
Agree
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
people who are just not worthy of other people's time.
I don't know if it is Einstein's for sure but: Do not argue with idiots, they will drag you to their level and win you due to (by?) experience
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, there's adaptation and then there's wasting time in life with mindless repetition
Repetition might be a good tool too, not just mindless. Toddlers learn / calibrate motorics thanks to repetitions. OK, granted small modifications are mostly there. One could argue is a try and error, but still is repeated a lot.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats.
That's why I participate instead of ignoring ;)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare.
Thanks
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Nelek wrote:
That doesn't imply that there are not intelligent people here or that you are more intelligent as us
If you read the original post again that's why I said I can accept I may be the stupid one. That being said, I do think experience is the real teacher in life. Those who are experienced in a field know when someone who is not is speaking. There's a lot of argumentative, inexperienced people here. And for that reason, I do feel as if I don't have much in common. For instance, I've lived in Vegas... lived. Had some dude on CP argue about how nice Vegas is who's never been there. How foolish can people be? It's a waste of time and life energy.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If you read the original post again that's why I said I can accept I may be the stupid one.
I did... but I still said for the sick of being a smartass :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I do think experience is the real teacher in life.
For me life is the teacher and experience is the result, but yes... I can go with that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For instance, I've lived in Vegas... lived. Had some dude on CP argue about how nice Vegas is who's never been there.
I have never been there, but alone for what I have seen in films and reportages, I don't think I'll ever visit it if I go to the US.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I haven't read them, but I am looking into mindfullness / resilience / positive thinking / non violent communication / personal growth and some of other topics in the direction due to personal interest. I have even joined a "new culture" network at work, trying to change the general mindset (while learning myself about it as a collateral profit) at the company. I am curious... have you read something of "Human design"? I have never taken astrology seriously, but I have attended a serie of online sessions about the topic and I liked the guy's explanations. I even did a couple of tests myself in meetings with other people and I really got surprised about the results.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Not interested, sorry.
Oops. Now you are in trouble.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett.
I had to look that up. I never read too many of those. The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series. Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either. I like happy endings but I need to be wondering if it will work out that way or not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
nor intelligent
I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn. Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried. I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them. Seems to be working so far.
jschell wrote:
The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series.
I haven't by far read all Pratchett's books, but from all what I read, I didn't find it repetitive.
jschell wrote:
Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either.
then do not read Discworld serie
jschell wrote:
I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn.
I only know that I know nothing?
jschell wrote:
Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried.
Probably? Something? I am 100% sure that there is always things that we will never understand, noone can know/understand everything.
jschell wrote:
I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them.
My father told me something similar but with the goal of treating people respectful "Do not underestimate anyone, even the cleaning guy can teach you how a broom is used properly". So yes, there is always something to learn from anyone. The only challenge is to find it and to see if it is something worth to be learnt or not.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Needing intelligent conversation is why I talk to myself.
"Mistakes are prevented by Experience. Experience is gained by making mistakes."
Matthew Dennis wrote:
Needing intelligent conversation is why I talk to myself.
As long as you don't start hearing answers that you didn't say... :rolleyes: :laugh:
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Any topic really. If you find someone who isn't irrational, actually intelligent, and so on... everything becomes interesting. If they're clowns (regardless if they think they're smart) then it's just repetitive diatribe when exploring anything of substance.
Jeremy Falcon
OK, but without any indication of interests. It is difficult to judge if selected topics will be engaging enough. So here is a random one from my open list of "things I have come across" What do you think about the medical use of Phages to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria? Is it taking medical science back to the age of blood letting or is it a magical cure that only our current level of technology has made practical?
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I haven't read them, but I am looking into mindfullness / resilience / positive thinking / non violent communication / personal growth and some of other topics in the direction due to personal interest. I have even joined a "new culture" network at work, trying to change the general mindset (while learning myself about it as a collateral profit) at the company. I am curious... have you read something of "Human design"? I have never taken astrology seriously, but I have attended a serie of online sessions about the topic and I liked the guy's explanations. I even did a couple of tests myself in meetings with other people and I really got surprised about the results.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
No, I've never read anything like that. And, none of the books that I've mentioned are "personality-based". Instead, the books look at large studies of large groups of people and how they behave and then take some ideas from that. Also, have you read the book, The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains[^], ? I'm not mentioning that in relation to your post, just that the book has tons of research and the things they discovered about the way people behave and learn and why. I highly suggest that book. It's another that I read twice. Absolutely fascinating.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
If you read the original post again that's why I said I can accept I may be the stupid one.
I did... but I still said for the sick of being a smartass :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I do think experience is the real teacher in life.
For me life is the teacher and experience is the result, but yes... I can go with that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For instance, I've lived in Vegas... lived. Had some dude on CP argue about how nice Vegas is who's never been there.
I have never been there, but alone for what I have seen in films and reportages, I don't think I'll ever visit it if I go to the US.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
I have never been there, but alone for what I have seen in films and reportages, I don't think I'll ever visit it if I go to the US.
If you do, you'll be ok as long as you stay in the touristy spots. Vegas is like a ghetto (in mentality) but with money, so once you leave the touristy spots things change... even nice grocery stores will have used condoms in the parking lot, etc.
Jeremy Falcon
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jschell wrote:
The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series.
I haven't by far read all Pratchett's books, but from all what I read, I didn't find it repetitive.
jschell wrote:
Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either.
then do not read Discworld serie
jschell wrote:
I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn.
I only know that I know nothing?
jschell wrote:
Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried.
Probably? Something? I am 100% sure that there is always things that we will never understand, noone can know/understand everything.
jschell wrote:
I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them.
My father told me something similar but with the goal of treating people respectful "Do not underestimate anyone, even the cleaning guy can teach you how a broom is used properly". So yes, there is always something to learn from anyone. The only challenge is to find it and to see if it is something worth to be learnt or not.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
then do not read Discworld serie
Too late. I believe I read about 4 of them way back when there were far fewer of them.
Nelek wrote:
I am 100% sure that there is always things that we will never understand,
Not "we", but rather 'me'. When I come across articles (not pop but scientific) on differences in current string theory I try to understand but get lost almost immediately.
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No, I've never read anything like that. And, none of the books that I've mentioned are "personality-based". Instead, the books look at large studies of large groups of people and how they behave and then take some ideas from that. Also, have you read the book, The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains[^], ? I'm not mentioning that in relation to your post, just that the book has tons of research and the things they discovered about the way people behave and learn and why. I highly suggest that book. It's another that I read twice. Absolutely fascinating.
No, I haven't even know the book until you mentioned it :) I've added it to the "toDo", but until the kiddies are not a bit older... way too few time.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
