In the beginning was USB... and it was good and understood. Then came MS and Apple, and how the hell knows who else
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All I every saw anyone use an Apple for (in an office environment) was desktop publishing. The "work" was done on PC's and mainframes.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
I remember seeing bespoke financial packages (mainly bond, bill and other commercial paper valuation) being done on apple][ back in the day. It gave the desks some autonomy from the company mainframe and it's need for terminals (and dedicated teams of programmers on the end of the 'phone) and the PC was some way off yet.
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I can still USB my phone. I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC. Do you have a filthy iphone?
Christian Graus wrote:
I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC
Which one ? One provided from the phone manufacturer, or third-party ? Browsing photo from the phone is taking ages for me (Android phone).
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I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I have a vague recollection that the 20mA current loop on the ASR33 I used at school had a different connector - possibly a DB9, and that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.
Alister Morton wrote:
that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.
That didn't seem likely to me...man was I wrong. You were a bit off as well. D-subminiature - Wikipedia[^] "The D-sub series of connectors was introduced by Cannon in 1952"
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charlieg wrote:
Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. directly from the phone, without getting a laptop involved.
FTFY.
maybe so, maybe so. looking real hard at a $20 flip phone. Meanwhile I have 8 emails from Microsoft telling me I am over "my" storage space. The saga continues... I'll keep this post going as troll bait :) Maybe an article. editorial note - all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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maybe so, maybe so. looking real hard at a $20 flip phone. Meanwhile I have 8 emails from Microsoft telling me I am over "my" storage space. The saga continues... I'll keep this post going as troll bait :) Maybe an article. editorial note - all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
I don't find it hard. When I plug the phone for charging in the USB socket of my screen, the files on the phone pops up as another USB disk in Explorer. The memory card and 'Phone' appears as subdirectories, and I can (shift)drag&drop to (move/)copy files either way. I can't see how it could be much simpler. It is just like any other 'Passport style' external USB disk, except that my phone charges at the same time. I never installed any specific software for this functionality, neither on the phone nor on the PC side. Maybe, first time I plugged it in, the PC asked if I wanted to download drivers, and I answered Yes. It is so long ago that I don't remember. My phone is a 2016 vintage Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. My PC is also 2016 vintage; it ran Windows 7 for a few years. Now it runs Windows 10 (and cannot run 11; TPM 2.0 is not available). I am 99.9% sure that file copying this way worked even with Win7 (how else did I get photos transferred to the PC? I never had any alternate solution!) Of course: 'But it works on my PC!' doesn't solve your problem. It just demonstrates that the software do to it exists. And then, ready to post this, as a last check I wind back to your initial post in this thread, to read that it used to work that way with your phone, too. You say that there is no way to stop the automatic copying. Does that really include Settings | Devices | AutoPlay and selecting from the dropdown list for 'Samsung Galaxy S7 edge' (replace phone model with whatever phone you have got)? On my PC, I see a menu that includes 'Import Photos and Videos', 'Take no action', 'Ask me every time', and a couple more. If I select the first entry, I would sort of expect it to behave the way you describe. Which alternative have you chosen on your PC? Are the alternatives very different in Win11?
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charlieg wrote:
all I wanted is to move my images from my phone (usb device) to my laptop. Why is that so hard?
I don't find it hard. When I plug the phone for charging in the USB socket of my screen, the files on the phone pops up as another USB disk in Explorer. The memory card and 'Phone' appears as subdirectories, and I can (shift)drag&drop to (move/)copy files either way. I can't see how it could be much simpler. It is just like any other 'Passport style' external USB disk, except that my phone charges at the same time. I never installed any specific software for this functionality, neither on the phone nor on the PC side. Maybe, first time I plugged it in, the PC asked if I wanted to download drivers, and I answered Yes. It is so long ago that I don't remember. My phone is a 2016 vintage Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge. My PC is also 2016 vintage; it ran Windows 7 for a few years. Now it runs Windows 10 (and cannot run 11; TPM 2.0 is not available). I am 99.9% sure that file copying this way worked even with Win7 (how else did I get photos transferred to the PC? I never had any alternate solution!) Of course: 'But it works on my PC!' doesn't solve your problem. It just demonstrates that the software do to it exists. And then, ready to post this, as a last check I wind back to your initial post in this thread, to read that it used to work that way with your phone, too. You say that there is no way to stop the automatic copying. Does that really include Settings | Devices | AutoPlay and selecting from the dropdown list for 'Samsung Galaxy S7 edge' (replace phone model with whatever phone you have got)? On my PC, I see a menu that includes 'Import Photos and Videos', 'Take no action', 'Ask me every time', and a couple more. If I select the first entry, I would sort of expect it to behave the way you describe. Which alternative have you chosen on your PC? Are the alternatives very different in Win11?
Yes, I agree, it should be as simple as a cut and paste. I did not fall off the truck recently. But, wait, there is more. This all started with trying this on Windows 11. It's not the damn phone. It's Windows 11. Stay on topic. What I see on my laptop is that Microsoft has re-arranged the folders on Windows 11. On Windows 10, One drive personal is there, but it's not the default. Windows 11 makes it much more vague. Going through it now before too much adult drink is consumed. Oh this gets sweet. Now my iPhone is sending me emails that my cloud storage is full.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
My Huawei Android phones offer me to be recognized either as a thumb drive like device or a digital camera (or battery charging only, reverse charging, ...) when connected, beyond HiSuite, their phone manager software. [more details on MTP, PTP, mass storage on Android](https://www.howtogeek.com/192732/android-usb-connections-explained-mtp-ptp-and-usb-mass-storage/) Which cloud? Both OneDrive and Huawei Cloud can be configured to what save to the cloud.
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I have a vague recollection that the 20mA current loop on the ASR33 I used at school had a different connector - possibly a DB9, and that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.
DE9 - B denotes the shell size ;-) <°}}}>«<
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No, in the beginning was a db25 serial port, and thost made yer own cables man. And booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal. If you did that right and made your cable right minding rts and dtr handshakes if required, you might get the holy boot scriptures to come out on the teletype. Someone will come along and say how soft we had it doing the former and all about the punch cards. To the card punch coders, Dilly - Dilly!
Ron Anders wrote:
booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal
True story: A class in college (early 1980's) used PDP-11/05's. The bootstrap was 80 words, stored in a core memory board. Sometime student programs would wipe the board, and you had to put the bootstrap back in using the panel switches. I had to do it a couple of times, and it took me about 5 minutes to make sure it was correct. There was one guy in the lab who did it so often, he could set all 80 words in under 60 seconds :omg: .
Software Zen:
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and it's all trying to push me to network storage, one drive, blah. Die you bastards.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I ran into the push toward the networking stage with MS trying to push everyone towards subscription based Office. You have to look and dig, and sometimes argue with your vendor, but there IS still a LTSC (Long Term Support Channel, ie, "stand alone, non-subscription based" version of Office. I had to find it myself, argue with my vendor about the availability, until they finally found it and offered it to me.
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I remember seeing bespoke financial packages (mainly bond, bill and other commercial paper valuation) being done on apple][ back in the day. It gave the desks some autonomy from the company mainframe and it's need for terminals (and dedicated teams of programmers on the end of the 'phone) and the PC was some way off yet.
Ahhh... "bespoke". I haven't came across that term since my Project Management studies a few months back. I may be coming across it a lot more since I landed a federal (government) job as an IT Project Manager. Took me a couple of lookups to discern exactly how it applied to the business world. Pretty simple actually but still caught my eye because the word is very uncommon in South Georgia.
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I ran into the push toward the networking stage with MS trying to push everyone towards subscription based Office. You have to look and dig, and sometimes argue with your vendor, but there IS still a LTSC (Long Term Support Channel, ie, "stand alone, non-subscription based" version of Office. I had to find it myself, argue with my vendor about the availability, until they finally found it and offered it to me.
Yes. I suspect that if Microsoft wants to continue to sell to governments, all governments, then they are always going to need an option that doesn't require accessing the internet. That would be there will be cases where there is not internet by design/regulation/law.
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I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I running Win 11 (in a VM) and I don't have that problem with my phone. I manually copy photos from/to my phone all the time, no automatically uploading to the cloud. I do, however, have 'Phone Link' disabled in the Startup apps section in Task Manager. I've also got One Drive disable there too. I don't use the cloud.
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you mother trucker. Old farts venting here. This one drive shit needs to be a class action suit. I'm still looking for where this POS OS put my damn folder.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I don't get it... what happens to your windows 11?? I'm on it but don't have that issue... (maybe it is because I refused the PIN/Login on cloud BS, dunno) care to elaborate please?
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Alister Morton wrote:
that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.
That didn't seem likely to me...man was I wrong. You were a bit off as well. D-subminiature - Wikipedia[^] "The D-sub series of connectors was introduced by Cannon in 1952"
I meant the 20 mA current loop became common sometime early 60's The Cannon connectors were much older, yes.
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DE9 - B denotes the shell size ;-) <°}}}>«<
Well, yes, and to be fair this connector shell was the old style metal casting with a retaining wire loop; not sure what designation that would get to be honest.
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Re: "as long as it works". I bought her a Kindle to spare her.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I running Win 11 (in a VM) and I don't have that problem with my phone. I manually copy photos from/to my phone all the time, no automatically uploading to the cloud. I do, however, have 'Phone Link' disabled in the Startup apps section in Task Manager. I've also got One Drive disable there too. I don't use the cloud.
That might be the issue. The laptop(s) in question are sort of bastardized due to integration with a customer. I have to use certain s/w packages. I'll keep digging and testing.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I don't get it... what happens to your windows 11?? I'm on it but don't have that issue... (maybe it is because I refused the PIN/Login on cloud BS, dunno) care to elaborate please?
not quite sure yet. I too refuse to use a network / global / virus login to keep everything synced. What may have spoofed me is the relocation of 1 drive in windows explorer. it all went down hill from there. MS allegedly prides itself on UI stuff. Changing UI behavior is just evil.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.