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In the beginning was USB... and it was good and understood. Then came MS and Apple, and how the hell knows who else

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  • R Ron Anders

    No, in the beginning was a db25 serial port, and thost made yer own cables man. And booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal. If you did that right and made your cable right minding rts and dtr handshakes if required, you might get the holy boot scriptures to come out on the teletype. Someone will come along and say how soft we had it doing the former and all about the punch cards. To the card punch coders, Dilly - Dilly!

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    Gary Wheeler
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    Ron Anders wrote:

    booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal

    True story: A class in college (early 1980's) used PDP-11/05's. The bootstrap was 80 words, stored in a core memory board. Sometime student programs would wipe the board, and you had to put the bootstrap back in using the panel switches. I had to do it a couple of times, and it took me about 5 minutes to make sure it was correct. There was one guy in the lab who did it so often, he could set all 80 words in under 60 seconds :omg: .

    Software Zen: delete this;

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    • C charlieg

      and it's all trying to push me to network storage, one drive, blah. Die you bastards.

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      Keefer S
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      I ran into the push toward the networking stage with MS trying to push everyone towards subscription based Office. You have to look and dig, and sometimes argue with your vendor, but there IS still a LTSC (Long Term Support Channel, ie, "stand alone, non-subscription based" version of Office. I had to find it myself, argue with my vendor about the availability, until they finally found it and offered it to me.

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      • A Alister Morton

        I remember seeing bespoke financial packages (mainly bond, bill and other commercial paper valuation) being done on apple][ back in the day. It gave the desks some autonomy from the company mainframe and it's need for terminals (and dedicated teams of programmers on the end of the 'phone) and the PC was some way off yet.

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        Keefer S
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        Ahhh... "bespoke". I haven't came across that term since my Project Management studies a few months back. I may be coming across it a lot more since I landed a federal (government) job as an IT Project Manager. Took me a couple of lookups to discern exactly how it applied to the business world. Pretty simple actually but still caught my eye because the word is very uncommon in South Georgia.

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          I ran into the push toward the networking stage with MS trying to push everyone towards subscription based Office. You have to look and dig, and sometimes argue with your vendor, but there IS still a LTSC (Long Term Support Channel, ie, "stand alone, non-subscription based" version of Office. I had to find it myself, argue with my vendor about the availability, until they finally found it and offered it to me.

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          jschell
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          Yes. I suspect that if Microsoft wants to continue to sell to governments, all governments, then they are always going to need an option that doesn't require accessing the internet. That would be there will be cases where there is not internet by design/regulation/law.

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          • C charlieg

            I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            sasadler
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            I running Win 11 (in a VM) and I don't have that problem with my phone. I manually copy photos from/to my phone all the time, no automatically uploading to the cloud. I do, however, have 'Phone Link' disabled in the Startup apps section in Task Manager. I've also got One Drive disable there too. I don't use the cloud.

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              you mother trucker. Old farts venting here. This one drive shit needs to be a class action suit. I'm still looking for where this POS OS put my damn folder.

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              Christophe Kowarski
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              I don't get it... what happens to your windows 11?? I'm on it but don't have that issue... (maybe it is because I refused the PIN/Login on cloud BS, dunno) care to elaborate please?

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                Alister Morton wrote:

                that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.

                That didn't seem likely to me...man was I wrong. You were a bit off as well. D-subminiature - Wikipedia[^] "The D-sub series of connectors was introduced by Cannon in 1952"

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                I meant the 20 mA current loop became common sometime early 60's The Cannon connectors were much older, yes.

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                • S seismofish

                  DE9 - B denotes the shell size ;-) <°}}}>«<

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                  Alister Morton
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                  Well, yes, and to be fair this connector shell was the old style metal casting with a retaining wire loop; not sure what designation that would get to be honest.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Re: "as long as it works". I bought her a Kindle to spare her.

                    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                    I have a Kindle Fire 1.0. It’s hardware is sufficient for browsing and streaming but Amazon stopped updates 2 years after release including CA certificates. Useless today except for reading books/PDFs that I side load via PC.

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                    • S sasadler

                      I running Win 11 (in a VM) and I don't have that problem with my phone. I manually copy photos from/to my phone all the time, no automatically uploading to the cloud. I do, however, have 'Phone Link' disabled in the Startup apps section in Task Manager. I've also got One Drive disable there too. I don't use the cloud.

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                      charlieg
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                      That might be the issue. The laptop(s) in question are sort of bastardized due to integration with a customer. I have to use certain s/w packages. I'll keep digging and testing.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      • C Christophe Kowarski

                        I don't get it... what happens to your windows 11?? I'm on it but don't have that issue... (maybe it is because I refused the PIN/Login on cloud BS, dunno) care to elaborate please?

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                        charlieg
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                        not quite sure yet. I too refuse to use a network / global / virus login to keep everything synced. What may have spoofed me is the relocation of 1 drive in windows explorer. it all went down hill from there. MS allegedly prides itself on UI stuff. Changing UI behavior is just evil.

                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        • C charlieg

                          and it's all trying to push me to network storage, one drive, blah. Die you bastards.

                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                          Funny story - there was a time about 4 years ago when our internet suddenly went to shit - as in sometimes it was fine, other times it was totally unusable. This went on for a week, until I noticed that the rubbish performance started just after my son woke up in the morning. Then it occurred to me that the start of the troubles coincided with a new laptop he'd bought. So then I took a look, and I realised that the Windows installed on that system was set up to upload the contents of the user home directory to the new fangled "One Drive" system, supposedly for backup purposes. Of course, my son had around 30GB of gaming data stored in that directory, and we were still on ADSL at the time (A standing for asymmetric, upload speeds being a paltry 100kbps or so), so this was going to take a month of Sundays, and of course ultimately fail, because MS is not generous enough to hand out multi GB of data for free. I had to google the shit out of that problem to find out how to disable this on his system.

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC

                            Which one ? One provided from the phone manufacturer, or third-party ? Browsing photo from the phone is taking ages for me (Android phone).

                            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                            I use dolphin, which come preinstalled on my OpenSUSE distro. Works a treat on Android phones - iPhones are still the regular PITA they've always been.

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                              Funny story - there was a time about 4 years ago when our internet suddenly went to shit - as in sometimes it was fine, other times it was totally unusable. This went on for a week, until I noticed that the rubbish performance started just after my son woke up in the morning. Then it occurred to me that the start of the troubles coincided with a new laptop he'd bought. So then I took a look, and I realised that the Windows installed on that system was set up to upload the contents of the user home directory to the new fangled "One Drive" system, supposedly for backup purposes. Of course, my son had around 30GB of gaming data stored in that directory, and we were still on ADSL at the time (A standing for asymmetric, upload speeds being a paltry 100kbps or so), so this was going to take a month of Sundays, and of course ultimately fail, because MS is not generous enough to hand out multi GB of data for free. I had to google the shit out of that problem to find out how to disable this on his system.

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                              charlieg
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                              I ran into the same thing with my wife's computer. It solved itself when Microsoft filled up the folder all by itself.

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                I can still USB my phone. I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC. Do you have a filthy iphone?

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                                charlieg
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                                yes, I have an iPhone. What I really need is a simple flip phone. I guess the camera is useful for taking pictures of products and what not. I'll post a followup once I figure this out.

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  charlieg
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                                  Okay, after prepping for Thanksgiving and feeding everyone, I sat back down to take a look at "my problem." I have a Windows 10 Pro and a Windows 11 laptop. I first attempted the copy of my pictures to my Windows 11 pictures file. I thought that was reasonable. 1/2 way through the copy, everything went tits up. Both laptops started reporting disk full areas, you are out of storage, etc. The confusing part was my iPhone started doing it as well (but had nothing to do with the Windows issue). After taking a few days off, and looking carefully, the helpful induhviduals at Microsoft moved the Personal one drive folder to the tp of the Windows Explorer. So, if you are accustomed to using your desktop on Windows 10, you might not even notice the change. Digging a little deeper, what I read is Microsoft is making a major push for people to use their network storage solution and are more than willing to elephant with your desktop to misdirect you. Task 1: copy the photos from my phone to MY pictures folder on Windows 10. Done. Task 2: research how to remove this one drive crap from my Windows 11 machine. In progress. These are the sorts of changes that Ms*** like to push out and call it mandatory updates. What a joke.

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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