Older developers - have you noticed a change in your sleep habits?
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Back when I was single, I used to go to bed between midnight and 1AM, read for an hour or two, and then get up around 9AM. Now I'm married, it's a rare occasion for me to still be awake beyond 9PM, and we usually wake up somewhere between 5AM and 6AM - sometimes earlier if the cats are being arseholes. Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer
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Back when I was single, I used to go to bed between midnight and 1AM, read for an hour or two, and then get up around 9AM. Now I'm married, it's a rare occasion for me to still be awake beyond 9PM, and we usually wake up somewhere between 5AM and 6AM - sometimes earlier if the cats are being arseholes. Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
cats, canines, toddlers. My toddlers are all taller than me. The cats and canines are not me. I have this secret fantasy of actually having an animal that is mine. Technically my wife qualifies, but she has guns, so don't share this post :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Back when I was single, I used to go to bed between midnight and 1AM, read for an hour or two, and then get up around 9AM. Now I'm married, it's a rare occasion for me to still be awake beyond 9PM, and we usually wake up somewhere between 5AM and 6AM - sometimes earlier if the cats are being arseholes. Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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My favourite Belgian bar is [Dulle Griet](https://www.dullegriet.be/en/)
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
That's one of our Ghent favourites too! :D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I am 2.5 decades your senior. Short version: It will get worse. Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule. An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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My wife and I have it the other way around.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
:-O Too much information! :laugh:
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
How am I sleeping? Terribly. (65 now but it's been bad since late 50s) SWMBO goes to bed anytime after 21:15 and can be asleep in ten minutes. She'll often wake up around 5ish and not be able to get back to sleep. However I don't really look forward to going to bed; it means an hour of lying awake, then finally dropping off before waking about half an hour later for the first of two or three loo trips through the night*. So I usually end up going up around 23:00, simply because I've been surfing the web or watching the telly until then. If I wake up at 5 or 6, I'll have another hour awake until I drop off, then probably oversleep until gone 8. We all know that getting good sleep is really important, yet very few of us - I suspect - achieve it. And yes, of course I know screen time before bed is bad. * If I go into AFib, it can be trips to the loo every 10 - 15 minutes for three or four hours.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep. I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm. There was some changes due to health issues.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Back when I was single, I used to go to bed between midnight and 1AM, read for an hour or two, and then get up around 9AM. Now I'm married, it's a rare occasion for me to still be awake beyond 9PM, and we usually wake up somewhere between 5AM and 6AM - sometimes earlier if the cats are being arseholes. Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight. :beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Which should be good fun next week on the annual Belgium beer trip: we don't normally get back to the hotel before midnight.
Ah a cultured gentleman I see ... ;P Hope you have fun, try to leave some beer for the locals tho, they get a bit testy if dry for to long :laugh:
Tom
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I"m only 45, but have been on here nearly 2 decades as well. Sleep is still great for me. Out by 11 most nights and mostly wake up refreshed. Except for the silly Sleep Number bed. Please never buy one, I look forward to any hotel bed now to get away from it. I did also get a Mandibular advancement splint to help with my snoring. Sleep doc tried to force a CPAP machine on me and I wasn't having it. I hate to admit it, but my Garmin watch shows I sleep better when its in my mouth.
Hogan
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I am 2.5 decades your senior. Short version: It will get worse. Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule. An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
bite me ;) everything you said :) I just didn't want to make it public. You 50 somethings, listen up. want to know why old people are cranky? what he said. tell me where to ship the case of beer. Now you'll be up more.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already. I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc. I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me. I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however. I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30. My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Last night to bed at 11 up at 3:30 Night before to bed at 10:30 up at 2 I'm 74 and have had sleeping problems for many years.
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bite me ;) everything you said :) I just didn't want to make it public. You 50 somethings, listen up. want to know why old people are cranky? what he said. tell me where to ship the case of beer. Now you'll be up more.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I brew my own beer. Chemist. Turn water, sugar, yeast, hops, and grain into beer. Turn the beer into urine. Life is good. :)
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I am 2.5 decades your senior. Short version: It will get worse. Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule. An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
theoldfool wrote:
An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger.
:thumbsup:
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Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already. I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc. I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me. I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST.
Similar for me, but it's usually 1AM, then 3AM, then around 4:30 am, then 5:45am when I actually have to get up. Many times, I've come up with clever (at least I think they are) solutions for the more vexing problems of the day. Yes, I am constantly tired, my old man once said to me,
Quote from my old man:
"once you have kids, you'll never get a good nights sleep again"
So far, that's the truth.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Since I was about 40 I stopped sleeping for more than 4 hours at a time. That's my "long" sleep, if I end up getting it. Usually it's 2 hours. And I typically have to lay down and sleep after I eat. I'm not prediabetic (there are two reasons this can happen and I have the other one) My day has become a series of naps. It's frustrating.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I usually go between 22 and 01 to sleep. Then I wake up a couple of times to give flasks. If I work from home, kids wake me up between 06:30 and 06:45 If I go to the office, I wake up around 05:00 If I had no interruptions, I would sleep 6 or 7 hours like a stone. Snore is a problem for me, and I got a CPAP. It bugged me, but it helps. My luck is, I need not much bars.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
