Older developers - have you noticed a change in your sleep habits?
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I"m only 45, but have been on here nearly 2 decades as well. Sleep is still great for me. Out by 11 most nights and mostly wake up refreshed. Except for the silly Sleep Number bed. Please never buy one, I look forward to any hotel bed now to get away from it. I did also get a Mandibular advancement splint to help with my snoring. Sleep doc tried to force a CPAP machine on me and I wasn't having it. I hate to admit it, but my Garmin watch shows I sleep better when its in my mouth.
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I am 2.5 decades your senior. Short version: It will get worse. Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule. An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
bite me ;) everything you said :) I just didn't want to make it public. You 50 somethings, listen up. want to know why old people are cranky? what he said. tell me where to ship the case of beer. Now you'll be up more.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already. I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc. I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me. I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however. I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30. My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
VB6 to C# conversions at a modest Cost. :)
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Last night to bed at 11 up at 3:30 Night before to bed at 10:30 up at 2 I'm 74 and have had sleeping problems for many years.
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bite me ;) everything you said :) I just didn't want to make it public. You 50 somethings, listen up. want to know why old people are cranky? what he said. tell me where to ship the case of beer. Now you'll be up more.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I brew my own beer. Chemist. Turn water, sugar, yeast, hops, and grain into beer. Turn the beer into urine. Life is good. :)
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I am 2.5 decades your senior. Short version: It will get worse. Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule. An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
theoldfool wrote:
An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger.
:thumbsup:
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Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already. I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc. I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me. I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST.
Similar for me, but it's usually 1AM, then 3AM, then around 4:30 am, then 5:45am when I actually have to get up. Many times, I've come up with clever (at least I think they are) solutions for the more vexing problems of the day. Yes, I am constantly tired, my old man once said to me,
Quote from my old man:
"once you have kids, you'll never get a good nights sleep again"
So far, that's the truth.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Since I was about 40 I stopped sleeping for more than 4 hours at a time. That's my "long" sleep, if I end up getting it. Usually it's 2 hours. And I typically have to lay down and sleep after I eat. I'm not prediabetic (there are two reasons this can happen and I have the other one) My day has become a series of naps. It's frustrating.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I usually go between 22 and 01 to sleep. Then I wake up a couple of times to give flasks. If I work from home, kids wake me up between 06:30 and 06:45 If I go to the office, I wake up around 05:00 If I had no interruptions, I would sleep 6 or 7 hours like a stone. Snore is a problem for me, and I got a CPAP. It bugged me, but it helps. My luck is, I need not much bars.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
i had some older folks who retired they used to sleep at 8pm regardless.....then again they lived the simplest of lifes...just taking orders....from the bosses..
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however. I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30. My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
VB6 to C# conversions at a modest Cost. :)
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Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I am 38. If I lie down, I am sleeping in 30 seconds max regardless of time of day. I typically sleep around 11-ish and wake up at 7. On Tuesdays and Thursdays I sleep later than midnight since I come back from badminton around 1130-midnight. But still wake up at same time. I have a gift - I can sleep anytime, anywhere in any position (I have slept once while in standing in a queue).
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I'm 41, I'm one o those 'lucky' ones that need very little sleep on a genetic level, I've been like this my whole life, even as a teen I already slept less than 7 hours a night. My normal is less than 5 hours a night usually in one solid dreamless block. I work in an office so in business days I go to bed a little before 3AM and get up around 7AM. If I'm left to my own devices (weekends, holidays and the like) sleep usually goes from a bit before 5AM to a bit after 9AM. Basically not exactly but almost night owl.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
Is this an age thing?
Yes. Or at least probably depending on age.
charlieg wrote:
She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am
People tend to think getting older means exactly the same thing for everyone. It doesn't. Sometimes older people sleep better than when they were young. Following seems like a good link A Good Night's Sleep | National Institute on Aging[^]
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I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep. I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm. There was some changes due to health issues.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already. I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc. I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me. I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
If related to sleeping are you aware that you can go to a doctor and have a sleep study done? You will sleep (whatever that means for you) and they will analyze what is actually going on. Not to mention some other testing. I know someone that did that and then got a CPAP (google if you don't know) and went from sleeping maybe 2 hours a night for decades to actually sleeping 8 hours a night. But not necessarily a cure-all, since it doesn't work for everyone. But there are other solutions. And yes not sleeping often can impact other health conditions.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Ask you doctor for alprazolam. 0.5 mg at bedtime will likely let you sleep all night.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
How are you sleeping?
At almost 57, I sleep just fine but I tend to wander. :zzz: The missus and I have a routine: 0: around 8PM, she falls asleep on the couch and I typically watch news until 9PM when Alexa tells me to take my meds. 1: go to bed, put on the news again and am usually out before 10. 2: around midnight, the missus and the hound move from the couch to the bed. 3: typically around 2AM I wake up drenched in sweat, or the hound has turned crossways and is kicking the hell out of me. 4: I move from the bed to the couch, put on the news again and sleep until 5AM or so 5: 50/50 either stay on the couch or go back to bed, depends on the position/disposition of the hound! :laugh:
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