Older developers - have you noticed a change in your sleep habits?
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I would encourage all with sleep problems to get a sleep study done. My wife nagged me until I did about 5 years ago, and wound up with a CPAP (a BPAP technically). Greatly improved my sleeping habits to the point I almost cannot even take a simple nap without it, but well worth the 6 - 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep w/o sleep medicine or supplements.
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I've had a CPAP for about 5 years. I'm addicted to it. My wife likes it because I no longer snore. I feel crappy if I sleep horizontal without it. I can sleep in a chair okay. It's a pain to fly with these days as it becones an expense to carry. I still tend to wake up at 3:00 AM to releave myself and it's a coin flip if I can get back to sleep.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Exactly to the T with me as well, including the wife... I have also tried the medical way, no luck. Then a TV in the room where it took the wife awhile to get used to the sounds, eventually worked a charm, mind you only on non violent heavy noises. Must have seen a billion movies with no recollection afterwards. Started exercising lately after work for around half to full hour, works like a charm for me... :zzz:
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I"m only 45, but have been on here nearly 2 decades as well. Sleep is still great for me. Out by 11 most nights and mostly wake up refreshed. Except for the silly Sleep Number bed. Please never buy one, I look forward to any hotel bed now to get away from it. I did also get a Mandibular advancement splint to help with my snoring. Sleep doc tried to force a CPAP machine on me and I wasn't having it. I hate to admit it, but my Garmin watch shows I sleep better when its in my mouth.
Hogan
My Sleep Number bed was the worst purchase I ever made. They have a huge revenue stream of chargeable replacement parts for something under warranty. Got rid of the mattress when the replacement pump was on indefinite back order. For my wife's anniversary present this year we got rid of the base and bought a made of real wood bed. We both sleep great, even if I still wake up at 3:00 to go. CPAP has probably been the second-best health technology improvement I've had. My family doctor said he resisted one for years but now he has it and wishes he would have used it sooner.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
The natural state of sleeping for humans is to go sleep when it's dark and wake up at sunrise. However, this is usually more than the 8 or so hours we need. Therefore, waking up in the middle of the night is normal. The Romans did this. Our modern lives just break up this pattern with artificial lighting. Also, older people tend to sleep lighter, so random noises are more likely to disturb your sleep. Somewhere around very early morning (4 am?) our hearing is at it's best, so that only compounds the problem. I suggest using that mid-night wakefulness to meditate, think on problems (work or personal), and generally be mentally productive while physically relaxed. Must most importantly, don't stress over it. Stress will only aggravate it, making it harder to go back to sleep. On a side note, I have a personal theory about how early humans that were little more than animals kept watch during the night. Teenagers stayed up late, old people woke up in the middle of the night, and little kids got up very early, waking up their parents. So the whole night was more or less covered by someone keeping an eye out for predators.
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Maximilien wrote:
I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep.
I also doze off too often watching TV early evening. Not any sort of deep sleep, I wake up easily from that, but I try fight it. There was a point where I figured, why fight it, if I'm that tired, it's because I need the sleep, and made no effort to fight it off. But I've come to realize, invariably, if I'm asleep early evening, I'll be wide awake at 11pm, and will toss and turn until maybe 4am. Which guarantees I'll be groggy for the entire upcoming day. So going to bed early always makes things worse for me.
Maximilien wrote:
I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm.
Same. More often than not, I'm awake at 6am (7 at the latest), but don't need to get out of bed at that time so I just stay there - otherwise getting out of bed is a struggle, and I'll definitely notice being tired earlier come late afternoon.
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I would encourage all with sleep problems to get a sleep study done. My wife nagged me until I did about 5 years ago, and wound up with a CPAP (a BPAP technically). Greatly improved my sleeping habits to the point I almost cannot even take a simple nap without it, but well worth the 6 - 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep w/o sleep medicine or supplements.
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I know; I used to have regular sleep apnea crisis at night (stopped breathing and wake up struggling for air, it freaked the bejesus of my GF) I lost some weight and it helped a lot (I'm struggling with that) due to some health issues. I don't remember that last time it happened.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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dandy72 wrote:
There was a point where I figured,
You didn't mention it but I have seen suggestions that insuring that you have a regular schedule can help. So for example no staying up late on the weekends. Nor sleeping in.
jschell wrote:
insuring that you have a regular schedule can help.
Interesting thought. I follow a schedule pretty regularly every workday...but do indulge on the weekends. 11. Midnight. 1, maybe, is still not a rare occurrence. But one thing I can't do is sleep in. No matter how much (or little) I sleep, I'm almost always awake at around the same time. I've also come to the realization a long time ago that there's no such thing as "making up for lost time"--if I sleep poorly one night, I can NOT sleep in the next day to make up for it. It just keeps accumulating until (say) I take a nap on a weekend afternoon. After writing this, I'm starting to think it might not be enough to stick to a regular schedule during the week if I'm all over the place during weekends. That'll be hard for me to stick to.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I noticed similar stuff (me 42yro). If I go to sleep earlier (say 21 or 22), I tend to wake up at 3-4am and cant sleep more. They say: 1 hour of sleep before 00 is 2 hours of rest, 1h of sleep at 00 is 1h of rest, 1 hour of sleep after 00 is 0.5h of rest
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Melatonin is only good if you have problems falling asleep. If you don't have problems falling asleep, but can't maintain sleep (like me, I'm 60) you should try 5-HTP and/or Magnesium Glycinate. But in any case you need first to manage stress, which can raise your cortisol levels (the so-called stress hormone), waking you up in the middle of the night.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
No, I've always been a morning person. I can't code anything difficult after 9 PM. I go to sleep at 11:30+/-. I sleep soundly until 4AM, when an alarm wakes me so I can turn my disabled wife over :-(. It takes awhile to get back to sleep, maybe 30 minutes, but then I'm asleep until the morning alarm at 8:40. Sometimes I will wake up as early as 8 on my own. When I was working, I went to sleep at 11 and up at 6:30, and by Friday I was a zombie from the missing hour of sleep, so clearly what I needed hasn't changed, just now I'm actually getting it.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I'm 74 now and still at it, I work because that is what drives me. When I was young I'd stay up until 2 AM and then get up at 6 AM for my job. Now that I am 74 I say up until 8 or 9 PM and sleep until 2 or 3 AM and then I am up and working on some problem I have been churning over in my sleep.
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I've been on this site for nigh 2 decades. The honesty has always been concerning, refreshing and challenging. Many of us have been here so long, we are either reaching or have reached the end of our "careers" - whatever the hell that means. For me, my career has been running out of mouths to feed before running out of money. Setting humor aside... I'm 64. Here comes the question... How are you sleeping? I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST. Is this an age thing? Don't go medical on me - I'm just looking for general thoughts. I have a bottle of melatonin - meh. I tried a bottle of sleep aid from Costco (never again). This is border line (to be honest, probably well past) sleep disorder which is weird for me. Meanwhile, I hate my wife ;) She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.