So better to just crash?
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
ISTR, some time back in the 90's, maybe, there was a Disaster Film, where some Joe Schmo was tasked with landing a jet full of passengers. I don't think the plane was damaged, but the pilots were incapacitated. Much time was spent getting Joe familiarized with the cockpit, aircraft controls, etc. A bumpy landing was made, and the day was saved, Yay. I seem to recall the experts of the day saying something like, nice story, but on a modern airliner, you would just have the guy turn on the Autopilot/ILS and the plane should land itself. No Drama. But of course that's not good for Hollywood.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown
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But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
Is that after having them for dinner or after the crash... :((
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
Sorry, but the old saying pops to mind - "Put your head between your knees and kiss your ...."
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
There's a percentage of people that think they could beat up a lion bare handed, right? (Or is that bear handed.)
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But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
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But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
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ISTR, some time back in the 90's, maybe, there was a Disaster Film, where some Joe Schmo was tasked with landing a jet full of passengers. I don't think the plane was damaged, but the pilots were incapacitated. Much time was spent getting Joe familiarized with the cockpit, aircraft controls, etc. A bumpy landing was made, and the day was saved, Yay. I seem to recall the experts of the day saying something like, nice story, but on a modern airliner, you would just have the guy turn on the Autopilot/ILS and the plane should land itself. No Drama. But of course that's not good for Hollywood.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" Chuckles the clown
While the film takes creative liberties for dramatic effect, you're correct in noting that modern airliners are equipped with advanced autopilot and Instrument Landing System (ILS) technologies, making it possible for a trained pilot to initiate an autoland procedure. Autoland allows an aircraft to perform a fully automated landing, even in low-visibility conditions .
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jschell wrote:
fully certified pilot
That's a very big step beyond "learned the basics of flying". There are loads of people out there who have flown a glider, or taken controls of a light aircraft for a few minutes, or have spent hours - or months - on a flight sim. Whilst all of these are very different from landing a passenger aircraft, the principles are the same and at least there's a chance that the newbie pilot will have a grasp of terms like pitch, yaw, flaps, glide path etc. If the instructor on the ground can tell the pilot to "push the nose down a few degrees until you're on the glide path, and check your wings are level" that's a LOT simpler than explaining the basics. There are plenty of well-documented cases where an "untrained" pilot has landed a small plane with the assistance of an instructor on the ground. Of course the "documentation" in cases where it's all gone horribly wrong is harder to come by, as it's a smoking heap in a field somewhere. There are almost no cases of completely untrained pilots landing larger commercial aircraft, because it's a very, very, very rare instance when both pilots are incapacitated and there's not even a partially qualified pilot on board.
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DerekT-P wrote:
push the nose down a few degrees until you're on the glide path
Someone has to be a smartarse here and I think it's my turn... again :laugh: You wouldn't want to do that, as pushing the nose down would increase your speed - on approach the power controls the descent rate and the stick/pitch controls speed. So what you would want to do is to reduce the power to increase descent rate. Outside of being the smartarse I guess I am trying to say that - yes it is very different to how people may imagine it is even if they have self-taught themselves how to fly a flight simulator -> Dunning–Kruger effect[^]
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DerekT-P wrote:
push the nose down a few degrees until you're on the glide path
Someone has to be a smartarse here and I think it's my turn... again :laugh: You wouldn't want to do that, as pushing the nose down would increase your speed - on approach the power controls the descent rate and the stick/pitch controls speed. So what you would want to do is to reduce the power to increase descent rate. Outside of being the smartarse I guess I am trying to say that - yes it is very different to how people may imagine it is even if they have self-taught themselves how to fly a flight simulator -> Dunning–Kruger effect[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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Unless of course you're not only too high but too slow as well. Or your engines have fallen off. But yes, this is whya novice can't do it on their own. I suspect the hard part is establishing radio contact in the first place.
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But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
bury the survivors
You have some odd customs in your part of the world...
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Unless of course you're not only too high but too slow as well. Or your engines have fallen off. But yes, this is whya novice can't do it on their own. I suspect the hard part is establishing radio contact in the first place.
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I also noticed how there are a few comments on "surely you could land on auto-pilot?". Well... it's complicated... as for starters the autopilot does not control the power, that is controlled by the autothrottle and you need both enabled to have a controlled descent and that's if you have plenty of time to set them up. Also you will need a runway able to support CAT III with an aircraft that has autoland capabilities and the correct approach and settings with the FMS, autopilot, autothrottle, spoilers, flaps... etc. Aircraft are not built for inexperienced people to fly and land just as Visual Studio is not built for inexperienced developers who want to create Amazon level applications.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
No, they simply give you the odds. It's like how most men think the can fight, whereas most people are completely clueless.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
bury the survivors
You have some odd customs in your part of the world...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
We also have a rather old joke (from the mid-1970s or earlier).
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
jschell wrote:
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
Could happen. I saw it in a movie once... :doh:
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From CP newsletter. Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die. Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?