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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Is zero positive?

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    From a math perspective, zero is neither positive nor negative: Negative number - Wikipedia[^]

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      It's always 42; we just didn't invent the math yet to get us there.

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      OriginalGriff
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      We did: fractional bases[^] - but it makes my head hurt trying to think of them ... :-D

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        Is zero positive?

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        RainHat
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        It can be positive, negative or unsigned depending on the representation and how it is used. Fnu

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

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          honey the codewitch
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          at what bit depth? ;P

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            at what bit depth? ;P

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            Start with two bit signed numbers and work your way up from there ... :-D That always made me laugh - back in the day when CD players were the Bee's Knees they proudly announced the kit contained a "1 bit DA converter" on the adverts (and the player, normally).

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Is zero positive?

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              MarkTJohnson
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              1 - (-1) = 1+1 = 2

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

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                Isn't it just 2? I mean the smallest positive int is 1. The largest negative int is -1. (-1 is bigger than -2) so it's just 1 - (-1) which is 2.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

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                  The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    This is why I hated math word problems. To me, the "largest negative integer" is -infinity because, for example, -3 is "larger" than -2 on the "negative" scale. "Largeness" to me is ambiguous. But my brain works in weird ways when it comes to converting words into math expressions.

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                    • K k5054

                      The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                      Yes, you owe a larger amount - which means you have a lower bank balance!

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                      • K k5054

                        The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                        k5054 wrote:

                        question is ambiguous in terms

                        I agree. It needs better term definitions to provide a correct answer. But I can see that some of the answers above taking it to mean the question is phrased to taken as a trick question and so rather simple.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          So which is bigger: -1 or -2?

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                          Rich Leyshon
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                          This was the first question that crossed my mind. According to the interweb, it's the size of the absolute value. Maybe it really depends on what the numbers are representing. On a graph, (-2,-2) is a greater distance from the origin than (-1,-1). I would rather reverse my car into a lamp post at -1mph than -20! Of course, doing it the other way round could be a good way out of a speeding fine. If I state I was clocking my speed in a backwards direction then my forward speed would be negative and the further I went above the speed limit, the smaller my speed would be. "Take him down ..."

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                          • K k5054

                            The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                            0x01AA
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                            I think for a programming forum the question is appropriately precise/clearly worded ;) Shame on me, my brain also focused on -Infinity for the largest negative number :-O :laugh:

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              That would be 0.

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                                That would be 0.

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                                0x01AA
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                                This certainly implies correctness in the mathematical sense. The consequence for programmers would then also be: 0 == 0: true 0 > 0 : true 0 < 0 :true

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                                • K k5054

                                  The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                                  dbrenth
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                                  What you OWE is a positive amount. What your bank account is is a negative amount. On the other hand, I keep getting a "bill" from a company for -$.01. I have called and talked to them multiple times, and they keep sending me the bill. Just send me the penny. It would be much cheaper. Brent Hoskisson

                                  Brent

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                                  • B BobbyStrain

                                    That would be 0.

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                                    This was my answer as well. Both the smallest positive and largest negative integers are 0. But I can see the case for both 2 and Infinity. Brent Hoskisson

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                                      Oh? Is -2 bigger than -1 now? :-D

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      "Bigger"? Yes.

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Start with two bit signed numbers and work your way up from there ... :-D That always made me laugh - back in the day when CD players were the Bee's Knees they proudly announced the kit contained a "1 bit DA converter" on the adverts (and the player, normally).

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                                        when CD players were the Bee's Knees

                                        Ooohhh... and 4X oversampling?

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                                        • K k5054

                                          The question is ambiguous in terms of what "largest negative" means. In a strict mathematical sense, that number is -1. But in an natural language sense, "largest negative" would mean "most negative". For example, when my bank account hits $-500, I owe a larger amount than when its only $-10!

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          k5054 wrote:

                                          The question is ambiguous in terms

                                          I agree. It lacks rigor. It ought to use the correct mathematical term -- "GREATER THAN".

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