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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    "I reject the premise of the question." -- Leo McGarry

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    • A Amarnath S

      Smallest positive integer = 1 Largest negative integer = -1 Difference is 2.

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      raddevus
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      I agree with you. Here's what chatGPT 3.5 says:

      ChatGPT:

      There isn't a smallest positive integer or largest negative integer in the mathematical sense, as integers extend infinitely in both positive and negative directions. The set of integers includes all whole numbers, both positive and negative, and extends infinitely in both directions. If you're asking about the difference between the smallest positive integer (1) and the largest negative integer (which doesn't exist), it's not a well-defined mathematical operation. The concept of the "largest negative integer" doesn't have a meaningful value in standard arithmetic. If you have a specific range or context in mind, please provide more details so I can assist you better.

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        1 - (-1) = 1+1 = 2

        I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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        raddevus
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        Yours is the answer I liked best. Look at what chatGPT 3.5 says:

        ChatGPT:

        There isn't a smallest positive integer or largest negative integer in the mathematical sense, as integers extend infinitely in both positive and negative directions. The set of integers includes all whole numbers, both positive and negative, and extends infinitely in both directions. If you're asking about the difference between the smallest positive integer (1) and the largest negative integer (which doesn't exist), it's not a well-defined mathematical operation. The concept of the "largest negative integer" doesn't have a meaningful value in standard arithmetic. If you have a specific range or context in mind, please provide more details so I can assist you better.

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          Yours is the answer I liked best. Look at what chatGPT 3.5 says:

          ChatGPT:

          There isn't a smallest positive integer or largest negative integer in the mathematical sense, as integers extend infinitely in both positive and negative directions. The set of integers includes all whole numbers, both positive and negative, and extends infinitely in both directions. If you're asking about the difference between the smallest positive integer (1) and the largest negative integer (which doesn't exist), it's not a well-defined mathematical operation. The concept of the "largest negative integer" doesn't have a meaningful value in standard arithmetic. If you have a specific range or context in mind, please provide more details so I can assist you better.

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          The largest negative integer is the negative integer that is greater than all other negative integers. hence -1. Hopefully this isn't devolving into a political conversation.

          I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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            The largest negative integer is the negative integer that is greater than all other negative integers. hence -1. Hopefully this isn't devolving into a political conversation.

            I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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            raddevus
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            MarkTJohnson wrote:

            The largest negative integer is the negative integer that is greater than all other negative integers.

            I thought the same thing. Also, isn't it interesting that on the other side of 0 that no one had a problem distinguishing the smallest positive integer : which is 1. Aren't all numbers greater than others when the are further to the right of other numbers? Also, do these people not believe that following are true? -5000 < -1 -1 > -5000 Then why don't they know that the largest negative integer is -1?

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            • L Lost User

              Well, considering the largest negative integer tends to infinity…

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              raddevus
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              Which one is true? 1. -Infinity > -1 2. -1 > -Infinity JavaScript says that the first is false and second is true -- see snapshot[^]. Pretty sure that JS has the definitive answer, since it's the Best Programming Language ever! :rolleyes: Sorry, just trolling all programming nerds. :laugh: But seriously, don't you think that is right?

              Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY > -1 // false
              Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY < -1 // true

              // a little clearer about my meaning
              -1 > Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY // TRUE

              So largest negative integer = -1 :)

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              • M MarkTJohnson

                The largest negative integer is the negative integer that is greater than all other negative integers. hence -1. Hopefully this isn't devolving into a political conversation.

                I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                raddevus
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                Check this out. It's JavaScript but...

                Number.MIN_VALUE < -1 // true
                Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY > -1 // false
                // a little clearer
                -1 > Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY // TRUE

                So the largest negative integer is -1. :thumbsup:

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  So which is bigger: -1 or -2?

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                  -∞

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                    Yeah, I resorted to asking a child. The smallest positive integer is 1. I can cope with that. The largest negative integer is infinite. She said infinite negative +1. I am still looking for a way to refute that.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      jmaida
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                      1 is smallest positive integer -infinity is largest negative integer 1 - (-infinity) is 1 + infinity is infinity oops my coffee cup is overflowing

                      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                      • A Amarnath S

                        Smallest positive integer = 1 Largest negative integer = -1 Difference is 2.

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                        Largest negative. I had not noticed that. Reading correctly is half the battle. :thumbsup: Well done :suss:

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                        • J jmaida

                          1 is smallest positive integer -infinity is largest negative integer 1 - (-infinity) is 1 + infinity is infinity oops my coffee cup is overflowing

                          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                          Lost User
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                          I fell for the same. -1 is larger than -10. The largest negative integer is -1. Infinity isn't in this game. Made me feel stupid and I loved it :thumbsup:

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            I fell for the same. -1 is larger than -10. The largest negative integer is -1. Infinity isn't in this game. Made me feel stupid and I loved it :thumbsup:

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            jmaida
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                            All depends on one's definition of largest negative integer. The largest integer that is negative or the largest negative integer compared to all negative integers. The problem as stated is missing this clarity.

                            "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                              This was my answer as well. Both the smallest positive and largest negative integers are 0. But I can see the case for both 2 and Infinity. Brent Hoskisson

                              Brent

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                              OriginalGriff
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                              Mathematically, zero is neither positive or negative ... :-D

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Oh? Is -2 bigger than -1 now? :-D

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                Davyd McColl
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                                For sure: if I have -$2, I owe the bank more than if I had -$1. $2 is a larger number, indicating a larger debt.

                                ------------------------------------------------ If you say that getting the money is the most important thing You will spend your life completely wasting your time You will be doing things you don't like doing In order to go on living That is, to go on doing things you don't like doing Which is stupid. - Alan Watts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gXTZM\_uPMY

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  Silly me was thinking in Int32.

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    Check this out. It's JavaScript but...

                                    Number.MIN_VALUE < -1 // true
                                    Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY > -1 // false
                                    // a little clearer
                                    -1 > Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY // TRUE

                                    So the largest negative integer is -1. :thumbsup:

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                                    haughtonomous
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                                    I think it's a bad mistake to assume that a computer implementation of a mathematical concept provides a correct definition, especially at the limits. But I agree that mathematically -1 is larger than -2. It's the distance from the extreme left of the number line (-infinity) that illustrates this. And zero is neutral, neither positive nor negative. And we're relying on ChatGPT for truth now? Lord help us!

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      BernardIE5317
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                                      This should clear things up. Integer - Wikipedia[^]

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        What is the smallest positive integer minus the largest negative integer?

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                        jarvisa
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                                        The smallest positive integer is either 0 or 1 depending on whether 0 is considered positive or not. The largest negative integer is -1. So the answer is 1 or 2. This is not the intent of question but that is the correct answer given how the question was worded.

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                                        • R raddevus

                                          MarkTJohnson wrote:

                                          The largest negative integer is the negative integer that is greater than all other negative integers.

                                          I thought the same thing. Also, isn't it interesting that on the other side of 0 that no one had a problem distinguishing the smallest positive integer : which is 1. Aren't all numbers greater than others when the are further to the right of other numbers? Also, do these people not believe that following are true? -5000 < -1 -1 > -5000 Then why don't they know that the largest negative integer is -1?

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                                          Post-modernism.

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