STOOPID PRINTER
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Nelek wrote:
Keeping the paper and the electronic copies of it
Reminds me of an old joke: Employee: Can we destroy these old documents? Boss: Sure, but first make a copy! Me, I'm aiming for a paperless house. Didn't happen yet but I'm on the right path.
Mircea
Have you been talking to my office manager and accountant?
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Discs? How the heck did you interface the player?[^] :laugh:
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:-) I can't tell whether you've ever seen these or not. The printer comes with a plastic tray (hopefully [this link](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KIMAAOSwyltZP7YN/s-l1600.webp) works) that you sit the CD on, then slide into a slot in the printer. *When* it works - the results are quite remarkable. I've scanned, then printed, some discs and would have a really hard time telling which is the original and which is the copy, unless you can compare both side-by-side (and even then it might fool some people).
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dandy72 wrote:
There will always be a need to have something printed
If everyone thought that way, we'd still be living in caves. Is there a specific reason you think this to be true or is this just a thing you think will continue because that's just the way you've done it? There are document types that can and do completely replace paper. So, there is no technical reason. Having a "hard copy" isn't really better than a back up. It has a worse filing mechanism. Can't be searched, etc. There are way more pitfalls with paper documents than going paperless.
dandy72 wrote:
In my case, picture a pile of identical, plain white, inkjet printable CDs and/or DVDs. The alternative is writing on them with Sharpies.
You mean printing DVD labels? I never seen an inkjet printer print actual DVD discs. :laugh: From a label stand point, I can see the rationale. But, I'm willing to bet that will be phased out too. You already see that with crypto wallets and LED displays on them. No reason the future "DVDs" can't have something similar. Sure, we're not there yet, but the future is coming and paper is the past for the most part.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Is there a specific reason you think this to be true or is this just a thing you think will continue because that's just the way you've done it?
You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem. I guarantee you, I don't yield that much power. I don't get to make up the rules, it doesn't matter what I think. Numerous articles have been written on the topic. I completely understand what you're saying and I *wish* it were true, but I just don't see it happening in my lifetime. I've certainly reduced the amount of paper I have to deal with - I did complain, somewhere else in this thread, that I do so little printing myself that ink cartridges dry up long before I have time to use them. Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those. :)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I never seen an inkjet printer print actual DVD discs
I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original (unless you hold them up side-by-side). [This](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KIMAAOSwyltZP7YN/s-l1600.webp) is what the typical tray looks like. You slide that into a slot in the printer. [This](https://youtu.be/vNT3SW4X1-4?t=131) is what the process looks like (that's not my specific printer, but the idea is the same).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
From a label stand point, I can see the rationale.
If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it. Plus, they tend to wrinkle with time and humidity, develop air bubbles, tear, rip, etc - they're a mess and look totally unprofessional.
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Agreed with most others, laser is the way to go. I have an HP MFP 477fdw. Prints colour, both sides, cheap to buy and cheap to run so long as you buy 3rd party toner (HP stuff is 3 times the price of the printer!). It also scans (double sided), photocopies and would fax too if it were connected. Connects by USB, Ethernet or WiFi and I can print to it from my iPhone.
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https://www.brother-usa.com/products/hll2400d laser, duplex, fast reliable. I have an older model. No regrets.
Perhaps I should've mentioned that the only reason I still have this (or any) ink-jet printer is that I still have the occasional need to print on discs (CDs, DVDS, etc). Lasers can't do that. I wish they did. Labels are non-contenders, they only create a mess and look completely amateurish.
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k5054 wrote:
Back in the day, HP knew how to build stuff that lasted,
They certainly did: not long ago I had to part ways with my LaserJet 6MP after almost 30 years of faithful service. Along the way I started to use Canon MF printers (last one is also colour) and they aren't too bad either. However the previous Canon I had to let go because there were no scanner drivers for anything newer then Windows XP :sigh:.
Mircea
You should have search a bit on the web. I had the same problem but found a program called VueScan that had a driver for my newly unsupported scanner. It's got drivers for hundreds of scanners. It worked great for my scanner until the motor crapped out a couple years later. Another advantage of VueScan is that they also have a Linux version.
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I've got a Brother black and white laser and it's brilliant - I suffered inkjet woes for a few years and eventually thought, do I really need a colour printer ? no, I've had the brother ~ 10 years or so and it's only on its second toner cartridge. Wouldn't mind a colour printer though.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Is there a specific reason you think this to be true or is this just a thing you think will continue because that's just the way you've done it?
You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem. I guarantee you, I don't yield that much power. I don't get to make up the rules, it doesn't matter what I think. Numerous articles have been written on the topic. I completely understand what you're saying and I *wish* it were true, but I just don't see it happening in my lifetime. I've certainly reduced the amount of paper I have to deal with - I did complain, somewhere else in this thread, that I do so little printing myself that ink cartridges dry up long before I have time to use them. Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those. :)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I never seen an inkjet printer print actual DVD discs
I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original (unless you hold them up side-by-side). [This](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/KIMAAOSwyltZP7YN/s-l1600.webp) is what the typical tray looks like. You slide that into a slot in the printer. [This](https://youtu.be/vNT3SW4X1-4?t=131) is what the process looks like (that's not my specific printer, but the idea is the same).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
From a label stand point, I can see the rationale.
If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it. Plus, they tend to wrinkle with time and humidity, develop air bubbles, tear, rip, etc - they're a mess and look totally unprofessional.
dandy72 wrote:
You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem.
If everyone thought that way, then nothing will ever change.
dandy72 wrote:
Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those
Sure, ok. I suppose as long as its judicious in nature. Not everyone is discerning and still wastes paper like it's going out of style... when the world has moved past that by and large. Even labels' days are numbered.... watch.
dandy72 wrote:
I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original
There's a miscommunication here. You're still referring to labels right? The wording suggests an inkjet printer is printing the actual plastic disc... which is impossible AFAIK. Inkjets, ya know... splatter ink on crap. :laugh:
dandy72 wrote:
If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it.
Not really sure what has to do with the point.... but um... ok? :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Yes, I did the same thing for a couple of years but it was cumbersome to start computer, start VM, copy scanned document from VM to network.... In the end I found a newer Canon in rebate and replaced the old one. The old printer was still working great over the network and I tried to give it for free but everyone who seemed interested was asking if it has Wifi. No one seemed to want a printer with only a LAN interface. In the end I had to dump it at a recycle centre... kids these days! :rolleyes:
Mircea
yep, never understand the point of a wireless printer. You going to carry it around with you? Much simpler to just plug the ethernet cable into the back of your wireless router and have done with it. It's not even like it's battery powered and you could print sitting by the pool (or the recycling bins...) I have one (wireless) but the first thing I did was plug it in... :laugh:
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I hate everything mechanical that you connect to a computer. Especially something that has as many mechanical parts as a printer. I only have 2 sentences written and already I'm feeling a long rant coming up. I could go in so many directions. But I'll try to keep it short. I've wasted enough time and money on this printer that randomly chooses to display this error that just tells you to send the printer back to the manufacturer. Looking up the error suggests that, despite this, the error "might" go away on its own just by replacing the ink cartridges. Obviously, it's an ink-jet printer. I despise them. The ink always dries up long before I'm ready to print. Last time I printed anything (just a few pages), the cartridges were brand new. This weekend, the cartridges, a transparent plastic container, all show more than 80% of the ink is gone. I replaced them with my last spares, still in a shrink-wrap. The printer still shows the same error. This is not the first time this happens. I've had enough. The replacement (printer, that is, not cartridges) is coming from Amazon this week. Once that one is set up and prints, I'm going full Office Space on this one.
I gave up on Ink Jet printers when the price of the Canon Ink 5 color was greater than the cost of the printer as of today it is 20 yrs old The Library is 5 miles away Scan 10 cents Black & White 10 cents a page Color Page 50 cents a page (it was 10 cents) they got smart
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Perhaps I should've mentioned that the only reason I still have this (or any) ink-jet printer is that I still have the occasional need to print on discs (CDs, DVDS, etc). Lasers can't do that. I wish they did. Labels are non-contenders, they only create a mess and look completely amateurish.
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dandy72 wrote:
You're wording it like I'm to blame by perpetuating the problem.
If everyone thought that way, then nothing will ever change.
dandy72 wrote:
Besides, in the end, I was talking about printing on discs, not keeping a document in electronic format to save paper. Like I said, the alternative is either a Sharpie, or...not identify the content of a disc at all? Good luck dealing with a pile of those
Sure, ok. I suppose as long as its judicious in nature. Not everyone is discerning and still wastes paper like it's going out of style... when the world has moved past that by and large. Even labels' days are numbered.... watch.
dandy72 wrote:
I have, numerous times, and I have some discs that are nearly indistinguishable from the original
There's a miscommunication here. You're still referring to labels right? The wording suggests an inkjet printer is printing the actual plastic disc... which is impossible AFAIK. Inkjets, ya know... splatter ink on crap. :laugh:
dandy72 wrote:
If you don't manage to place a label exactly right on the first attempt, the disc will vibrate and spin out of balance, and you can't take it off and try to realign it.
Not really sure what has to do with the point.... but um... ok? :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The wording suggests an inkjet printer is printing the actual plastic disc... which is impossible AFAIK. Inkjets, ya know... splatter ink on crap.
I'm talking about using an inkjet printer to print on the surface of a disc. I linked to an image that shows the tray you put the disc on before sliding it into the printer's slot for it, and a video that shows the process. You should understand this if you followed the links.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Not really sure what has to do with the point
My point was, printing on a label is not an option since they're crap. I've been talking about printing directly on the surface of a disc.
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I hate everything mechanical that you connect to a computer. Especially something that has as many mechanical parts as a printer. I only have 2 sentences written and already I'm feeling a long rant coming up. I could go in so many directions. But I'll try to keep it short. I've wasted enough time and money on this printer that randomly chooses to display this error that just tells you to send the printer back to the manufacturer. Looking up the error suggests that, despite this, the error "might" go away on its own just by replacing the ink cartridges. Obviously, it's an ink-jet printer. I despise them. The ink always dries up long before I'm ready to print. Last time I printed anything (just a few pages), the cartridges were brand new. This weekend, the cartridges, a transparent plastic container, all show more than 80% of the ink is gone. I replaced them with my last spares, still in a shrink-wrap. The printer still shows the same error. This is not the first time this happens. I've had enough. The replacement (printer, that is, not cartridges) is coming from Amazon this week. Once that one is set up and prints, I'm going full Office Space on this one.
Laser printers are a better deal nowadays than inkjet printers unless you need photo-quality full-color prints. Even then, color laser printers are pretty good for things like posters and charts. Laser toner doesn't dry out if you use it infrequently (because it's already dry). It's only a bit more expensive than an inkjet cartridge and prints many more pages. I'll never buy another inkjet printer. My Brother MFC-L2717DW b&w laser printer only cost around $200 and has been utterly reliable for two plus years now.
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I hate everything mechanical that you connect to a computer. Especially something that has as many mechanical parts as a printer. I only have 2 sentences written and already I'm feeling a long rant coming up. I could go in so many directions. But I'll try to keep it short. I've wasted enough time and money on this printer that randomly chooses to display this error that just tells you to send the printer back to the manufacturer. Looking up the error suggests that, despite this, the error "might" go away on its own just by replacing the ink cartridges. Obviously, it's an ink-jet printer. I despise them. The ink always dries up long before I'm ready to print. Last time I printed anything (just a few pages), the cartridges were brand new. This weekend, the cartridges, a transparent plastic container, all show more than 80% of the ink is gone. I replaced them with my last spares, still in a shrink-wrap. The printer still shows the same error. This is not the first time this happens. I've had enough. The replacement (printer, that is, not cartridges) is coming from Amazon this week. Once that one is set up and prints, I'm going full Office Space on this one.
I am a big fan of Epson EcoTank ink jet printers. I currently have an ET-2850, which I use almost daily. No ink cartridges. You connect an ink bottle for each of the four inks and fill each reservoir; no muss, no fuss. Replacement bottles are inexpensive: you can get them at Office Max, Office Depot, Staples, and occasionally, Wal-Mart.
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Throw it in the :elephant:ing recycle bin, and get a laser. It sits there in low power standby all the time. I print, it grabs paper and prints, then goes back to low-power standby. No ink to evaporate, no Epson date-chip expiry, no spending half an hour trying to get enough print lines working to get a recognisable image ... This is my second laser, and I got it second hand, three years old, still on it's original cartridges (which were low) from eBay for £50. It prints double sided at 16 ppm, single sided at 36ppm (Black and white) or colour at 32 ppm and holds over a ream of paper. A set of aftermarket cartridges cost me £40 six months ago and I still haven't even opened them yet ... :-D Only drawback is size: it's pretty big compared to an inkjet.
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. . . And don't ever let it connect to the Internet. My laser was great until a firmware update created all the same "Vendor cartridge" related issues. Was super happy with it up to that point. Now it's junk. Vendor name starts with 'B' and rhymes with the person who brought you into the world.
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Throw it in the :elephant:ing recycle bin, and get a laser. It sits there in low power standby all the time. I print, it grabs paper and prints, then goes back to low-power standby. No ink to evaporate, no Epson date-chip expiry, no spending half an hour trying to get enough print lines working to get a recognisable image ... This is my second laser, and I got it second hand, three years old, still on it's original cartridges (which were low) from eBay for £50. It prints double sided at 16 ppm, single sided at 36ppm (Black and white) or colour at 32 ppm and holds over a ream of paper. A set of aftermarket cartridges cost me £40 six months ago and I still haven't even opened them yet ... :-D Only drawback is size: it's pretty big compared to an inkjet.
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Only reason we have inkjet(s) is for photo printing. Lasers are great for documents, nothing beats them, but not so great for photographs. It's not always convenient to wait for a print shop to turn your prints around.
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I am a big fan of Epson EcoTank ink jet printers. I currently have an ET-2850, which I use almost daily. No ink cartridges. You connect an ink bottle for each of the four inks and fill each reservoir; no muss, no fuss. Replacement bottles are inexpensive: you can get them at Office Max, Office Depot, Staples, and occasionally, Wal-Mart.
__________________ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now. © 2009, Rex Hammock
Can it print directly on discs, such as [these](https://www.amazon.ca/Verbatim-Printable-Recordable-100-Disc-95252/dp/B000YTM4XS/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=341Z73WTK9P08&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.UwHW42SrxwZxHbALJDQhsgE6BlJIwciJEYlTieo04aZ8pQsCnbwUxH4jgMV0x6QD0kt7pBQTp6lEEHbKwIfPB-anYv0JgtUak3HAE67zCrd4uqmvPFOMvYyvewphyKOCUCoG5ssQpLnDk-xtj4OUEQ53MDwKwJHlJjCQPRWeZhGgVB9uABqKsAngjIqDGyquZK38i4LWSAkTc2P9itna4X81MH31eUfb0OE6KxFMwScEIyfqNhq\_dZ54g1HPz-ajrIbczVYYV1p4JPj9XBabaUM4K\_U\_Qp\_EKERYLkCTPSM.WqtRWK6MEmYJ1ZK56vHYJkhRUc7pD7pu03uU9UtpM4U&dib\_tag=se&keywords=ink+jet+printable+cdr+blank+discs&qid=1717598115&sprefix=blank+ink-jet+printable+%2Caps%2C389&sr=8-1)? That's the only reason I still have an ink-jet.
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Laser printers are a better deal nowadays than inkjet printers unless you need photo-quality full-color prints. Even then, color laser printers are pretty good for things like posters and charts. Laser toner doesn't dry out if you use it infrequently (because it's already dry). It's only a bit more expensive than an inkjet cartridge and prints many more pages. I'll never buy another inkjet printer. My Brother MFC-L2717DW b&w laser printer only cost around $200 and has been utterly reliable for two plus years now.
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yep, never understand the point of a wireless printer. You going to carry it around with you? Much simpler to just plug the ethernet cable into the back of your wireless router and have done with it. It's not even like it's battery powered and you could print sitting by the pool (or the recycling bins...) I have one (wireless) but the first thing I did was plug it in... :laugh:
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I'm the guy who will *always* choose to run a cable over trying to set something up wirelessly, especially if I expect a reliable connection 24/7. That being said, running a cable to it is not always convenient. I so rarely print (and I already have enough stuff on my desk), I'm okay with actually placing the printer in the next room, even if it means having to get up to power it on when I do need it. Bonus: One fewer USB cable to the machine on my desk. One fewer power cable going to my UPS.
