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charlieg wrote:
For those of us who write software that communicates with people, please don't do this crap.
Was the beep in morse code at least?
Jeremy Falcon
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Is the battery in the trunk? We had once a dead battery in a grocery store parking lot, and one of the staff was so kind as to come out to give us a boost. When he backed his car up to ours, I was thinking WTF?! I don't recall what kind of car he had, but its battery was in the trunk, so I learned something new that day!
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
its battery was in the trunk
My (soon-to-be-ex) wife has a Dodge Challenger, where the battery is in the trunk. Dodge made the masterful design decision to make the trunk latch a solenoid. Dead battery, you can't open the trunk from outside the car. You have to open the door using the emergency key in the fob, climb into the back seat, let the rear seat backs down, roll onto your back, slide to the rear of the trunk, and pull the internal trunk release cable. Yeah, I curse the morons that designed the :elephant:ing thing. Good news is it's being sold as part of the divorce settlement and I won't have to deal with the :elephant:er any more.
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It's "Assist": the car will drive in the exact middle of the lane and keep it there, steering around bends and so forth as necessary with no input from you provided you hold the steering wheel. What is lane-keep assist? | Motorpoint[^] Combined with radar guided cruise control it can make long journeys a lot less tiring, which is better for safety. Many modern vehicles have it (but it can be turned off if you don't want to use it). I'd guess it's a faulty steering sensor or something (given it's a JLR car a "non-faulty something" is a surprise!) it's probably worth at least talking to a garage in case it's a known fault.
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I pass on all technology like this -- I've had a car fight me for control, and that's not acceptable. I was in a construction area with numerous old lines where *I* had had to figure out where the lane was supposed to be. The car had even less clue. I tried lane departure warning and had the vehicle shake the wheel and nudge me right when I was trying to pass another car on the left. That is never getting turned on again. This vehicle has a brake warning (can't be turned off) that beeps and flashes a message on the dash, in situations where I do not need to be distracted. It also has false positives where it shakes the steering wheel, mostly on a curve but sometimes on a straight road. If the technology worked better with no false positives, I'd be willing to try it. Traveling at 60 MPH and having the car make a mistake is bad, as is fighting for control with a computer.
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I pass on all technology like this -- I've had a car fight me for control, and that's not acceptable. I was in a construction area with numerous old lines where *I* had had to figure out where the lane was supposed to be. The car had even less clue. I tried lane departure warning and had the vehicle shake the wheel and nudge me right when I was trying to pass another car on the left. That is never getting turned on again. This vehicle has a brake warning (can't be turned off) that beeps and flashes a message on the dash, in situations where I do not need to be distracted. It also has false positives where it shakes the steering wheel, mostly on a curve but sometimes on a straight road. If the technology worked better with no false positives, I'd be willing to try it. Traveling at 60 MPH and having the car make a mistake is bad, as is fighting for control with a computer.
Get used to it - it's increasingly being fitted by law and I don't expect the amount of "driver takeovers" to reduce at all. In the Europe, all new vehicles must be fitted with speed limiters and if you disable or remove it you insurance company will probably not pay out on any claim. For the moment, you can turn them off and override them by hitting the pedal, but that'll probably change soon. You'll be driving "classic cars" if you want to have complete control over the vehicle soon! :D
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Get used to it - it's increasingly being fitted by law and I don't expect the amount of "driver takeovers" to reduce at all. In the Europe, all new vehicles must be fitted with speed limiters and if you disable or remove it you insurance company will probably not pay out on any claim. For the moment, you can turn them off and override them by hitting the pedal, but that'll probably change soon. You'll be driving "classic cars" if you want to have complete control over the vehicle soon! :D
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Sadly, I'm sure you're correct!
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Actually, no it's in front where it is supposed to be. This wanders off my original chuckle, but the car comes with Roadside Assist. I was pleasantly impressed with the speed at which they got out there. Turns out, one of the cells of the battery had died (less than 1000 miles and 3 months old). So, dealer replaced the battery and made a specific notation that what killed it was the dash cam that was plugged in. I call bull chips on that, but that's another story.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
A bunch of people on YT were posting videos to tell me that batteries were going flat because their dealers had hidden GPS trackers on their new cars so the cars could be found and repossessed. This seemed a bit paranoid, but there were lots of viewer comments with similar stories. Even from people who had paid cash for the cars.
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Is the battery in the trunk? We had once a dead battery in a grocery store parking lot, and one of the staff was so kind as to come out to give us a boost. When he backed his car up to ours, I was thinking WTF?! I don't recall what kind of car he had, but its battery was in the trunk, so I learned something new that day!
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.BMW likes to put the battery to the trunk for better handling of the car (50-50% weight on axles). Sometimes one battery is not enough for even an ICE only car.
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Not a beep, but a warning light: The dashboard of my car has a warning light to remind me that we are in the months from October to April, so the road may be slippery. (The specs says that it is lit when the outdoor temperature is below 4 C - that is another way to say October to April.) small beep: My baking oven beeps for everything. I like that it tells me that the preset temperature has been reached, but after use, it beeps to inform me when it has completely cooled down and isn't even lukewarm any more. Of course this is essential information, I know that. Yet this (and all the other beeps it produces) bugged me so much much that I set the beep volume to minimum, so now I cannot hear the beep telling me that it has reached the preset temperature. You can't win them all!
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I have a Honda 2019 Accord. Its great car. And I bought it off lease for a mere $12,500.00. The price was so low because it doesn't have all the tech-junk that is common with cars today. However, it does have an internal diagnostic system that goes nuts every now and then. While driving on a highway, the diagnostic system will sometimes pop up messages telling me that my brake-system has failed,along with a host of other issues. However, nothing is wrong. The brakes still work fine and so does everything else. This all started happening after the last software-recall from Honda. Never had an issue with the older software...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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No, very steady three beep sequence.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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A while ago I pressed some combination of buttons on my key and all the windows of the car went down. I have no idea what buttons were pressed and it hasn't happened since.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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A bunch of people on YT were posting videos to tell me that batteries were going flat because their dealers had hidden GPS trackers on their new cars so the cars could be found and repossessed. This seemed a bit paranoid, but there were lots of viewer comments with similar stories. Even from people who had paid cash for the cars.
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BMW likes to put the battery to the trunk for better handling of the car (50-50% weight on axles). Sometimes one battery is not enough for even an ICE only car.
BMWs.... I call them *icks with wheels. I once saw a BMW driver use his signal. Scared the hell out of me.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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our Honda remote lets you roll down all of the windows from the remote via 1. unlock 2. unlock 3. unlock and hold I can’t wait for the patent to expire so all manufacturers can reuse this method
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Not what you think. :) Roll with me here. So, I retired 2 days ago from my primary customer. As a precursor to that, I've spent the last year looking at expenses, pensions, savings, etc. We had a large SUV that I will sorely miss (2007 Sequoia) but the wife drives 10 miles/a day and it just didn't make sense. So, she decided she wanted a new car. 6 years ago - yes - I bought my first new car in 40 years. So, she decided she was due and went out and bought a 2024 Mazda CX5. Typical crossover, more electronics than metal... it's actually a nice car and wasn't stupid expensive. Now for the user interface part... 3 months after buying it, she goes out to go to work. It doesn't start, battery is dead, and somewhere in the car there is a loud beeping. Long story short - the battery failed, the beeping is from a device IN THE REAR HATCH, and this is designed to tell the owner you have a battery problem. There is nothing in the owner's manual about this, no indicators, etc. Mazda even has a smart app - nothing there. For the engineer or group who came up with this, please send me your address. :rolleyes: For those of us who write software that communicates with people, please don't do this crap.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
My 2021 Ford F150 doesn't come with a user's manual for some odd reason. It has all these stupid nags and I haven't found a way to turn them off. Worst part is the EPAS -- Electronic Power Assisted Steering. On my 2016 F150, I dropped a wheel into a rut on a country road. EPAS "thought" the truck was rolling and took over steering. And actually rolled the truck. Air bags went off which caused the truck to be totalled. Three weeks after I settled with the insurance company, I got a recall notice to come in and have a software update installed to correct a steering problem. I do not trust software even though I have been a developer for over 55 years.
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A bunch of people on YT were posting videos to tell me that batteries were going flat because their dealers had hidden GPS trackers on their new cars so the cars could be found and repossessed. This seemed a bit paranoid, but there were lots of viewer comments with similar stories. Even from people who had paid cash for the cars.
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Not what you think. :) Roll with me here. So, I retired 2 days ago from my primary customer. As a precursor to that, I've spent the last year looking at expenses, pensions, savings, etc. We had a large SUV that I will sorely miss (2007 Sequoia) but the wife drives 10 miles/a day and it just didn't make sense. So, she decided she wanted a new car. 6 years ago - yes - I bought my first new car in 40 years. So, she decided she was due and went out and bought a 2024 Mazda CX5. Typical crossover, more electronics than metal... it's actually a nice car and wasn't stupid expensive. Now for the user interface part... 3 months after buying it, she goes out to go to work. It doesn't start, battery is dead, and somewhere in the car there is a loud beeping. Long story short - the battery failed, the beeping is from a device IN THE REAR HATCH, and this is designed to tell the owner you have a battery problem. There is nothing in the owner's manual about this, no indicators, etc. Mazda even has a smart app - nothing there. For the engineer or group who came up with this, please send me your address. :rolleyes: For those of us who write software that communicates with people, please don't do this crap.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
It's been my experience that engineers who use some form of 'beep' are the same engineers who insist that source code needs no comments i.e. everything you write is self documenting, and so it is with everything you 'beep'. :rolleyes:
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My 2021 Ford F150 doesn't come with a user's manual for some odd reason. It has all these stupid nags and I haven't found a way to turn them off. Worst part is the EPAS -- Electronic Power Assisted Steering. On my 2016 F150, I dropped a wheel into a rut on a country road. EPAS "thought" the truck was rolling and took over steering. And actually rolled the truck. Air bags went off which caused the truck to be totalled. Three weeks after I settled with the insurance company, I got a recall notice to come in and have a software update installed to correct a steering problem. I do not trust software even though I have been a developer for over 55 years.
amen brother. My 2018 Toyota has the lane assist.... annoys the hell out of me. Everytime it does it's thing, I'm concluding that I have a front end problem.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Not a beep, but a warning light: The dashboard of my car has a warning light to remind me that we are in the months from October to April, so the road may be slippery. (The specs says that it is lit when the outdoor temperature is below 4 C - that is another way to say October to April.) small beep: My baking oven beeps for everything. I like that it tells me that the preset temperature has been reached, but after use, it beeps to inform me when it has completely cooled down and isn't even lukewarm any more. Of course this is essential information, I know that. Yet this (and all the other beeps it produces) bugged me so much much that I set the beep volume to minimum, so now I cannot hear the beep telling me that it has reached the preset temperature. You can't win them all!
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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"LKA" -> "Lane Keeping Assist" It means she is driving with no hands on the wheel, Which is a Bad Thing, or the sensor which detects she isn't holding on has failed. My guess is the latter - this is JLA after all! :-D
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Yesterday, she was driving home from Sedona (about a two hour drive) and the car recommended she take a break. :omg:
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Yesterday, she was driving home from Sedona (about a two hour drive) and the car recommended she take a break. :omg:
Many cars have that - they monitor the driver for signs of drowsiness and try to wake them up a bit for safety. The Merc version will apparently bring the car to a gentle stop, unlock all the doors, and call for emergency services if you don't respond in time ... :-D
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
