Why corporate IT must be destroyed
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;The IT dept won't do anything like that without direction to do so from their overlords or M.S themselves. (I would imagine). Due to the stressful nature of "baby sitting" those on the edge of a network, they wouldn't start anything voluntarily. Your ire is misdirected. MickySoft is responsible for our collective misery.
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
the new Teams
I had a Teams meeting just this morning. When given the option to start in the Teams App or Continue in the Browser, I thought to myself 'Surely after a year, this is now fixed.' and chose the Teams App. :doh: :sigh: :confused:Nope! What a pile of crap! X| (or maybe I didn't get the update yet?)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Silver lining though... at least MS is forcing you to create accounts now to steal all your data. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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The IT dept won't do anything like that without direction to do so from their overlords or M.S themselves. (I would imagine). Due to the stressful nature of "baby sitting" those on the edge of a network, they wouldn't start anything voluntarily. Your ire is misdirected. MickySoft is responsible for our collective misery.
Ron Anders wrote:
The IT dept won't do anything like that without direction to do so from their overlords
Our corporate IT department has a medieval attitude and treat the serfs with the disdain we deserve. This continues despite numerous internal management shuffles and 'workforce adjustments'.
Ron Anders wrote:
MickySoft is responsible for our collective misery
It's clear that the new Outlook suffers from a lack of forethought and coherent design. Fundamental features for an email/calendar/collaboration application are either missing or half-baked. Obviously these issues are Microsoft's.
Software Zen:
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Silver lining though... at least MS is forcing you to create accounts now to steal all your data. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
"In order to play the game, one must have pieces on the board." - Gary Wheeler on codeproject.com, 07-23-2024 1:36pm
Software Zen:
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Ron Anders wrote:
The IT dept won't do anything like that without direction to do so from their overlords
Our corporate IT department has a medieval attitude and treat the serfs with the disdain we deserve. This continues despite numerous internal management shuffles and 'workforce adjustments'.
Ron Anders wrote:
MickySoft is responsible for our collective misery
It's clear that the new Outlook suffers from a lack of forethought and coherent design. Fundamental features for an email/calendar/collaboration application are either missing or half-baked. Obviously these issues are Microsoft's.
Software Zen:
delete this;But if they were destroyed as you have asked, you'd miss em next time you needed them.:thumbsup:
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But if they were destroyed as you have asked, you'd miss em next time you needed them.:thumbsup:
Ron Anders wrote:
you'd miss em next time you needed them
There's an assumption there.
Software Zen:
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;I refuse the new Outlook. Don't know how bad it is on a Windows machine but on a Mac it is abysmal. How would a muckity-muck know if you were using the old UI verses the new UI anyway? Yes, I saw he discovered it was Teams. Still my question stands.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this; -
A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;My experience is that pretty much anything corporate must be destroyed. HR, CTO offices, most of Legal and CFO offices, half of the executive management... Corporatum dicasteria delenda sunt!
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Long time Outlook (new) user here. Yeah, it is simplified. But at least quick and it displays HTML mails and does not route you to IE 11 to show them. - The folder list is not even alphabetically ordered but Favorites is your place to arrange - Links: definitively working for me. Corporate IT thing? - You can edit the link just like in for ex. Excel, select it and press the same button you have used to add it, the same edit box will appear pre-filled with previous data - It is a Windows 8+ style modern application, it runs in the background. I get new mail notifications without running it, sometimes more than I would like to get. Search it in the applications and services list, click once, choose Special settings and will see it. If not, then Corporate IT thing? All places backtranslated from Hungarian so maybe worded a bit different in the English Outlook/Windows settings.
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
the new Teams
I had a Teams meeting just this morning. When given the option to start in the Teams App or Continue in the Browser, I thought to myself 'Surely after a year, this is now fixed.' and chose the Teams App. :doh: :sigh: :confused:Nope! What a pile of crap! X| (or maybe I didn't get the update yet?)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse "Hope is contagious"
kmoorevs wrote:
Continue in the Browser
I've already expressed several times my profound disdain to the guys who came up with the idea that a browser can be used for something else than browsing the Internet.
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kmoorevs wrote:
Continue in the Browser
I've already expressed several times my profound disdain to the guys who came up with the idea that a browser can be used for something else than browsing the Internet.
There is one major reason: Browsers tend to have the highest update frequency of all your software. FOSS communities come up with new image, audio and video formats so frequently that the only presentation software able to keep up with all the new formats are the browsers. 20-30 years ago, before MP3 and its successors became dominant, lots of programmers, with highly varying real understanding of audio, tried their hand in making their own compressors. It was like every second sound clip you downloaded would require you to download a new (co)dec as well. I remember once counting some 30 different (co)decs (not counting alternate (co)decs for the same format on my PC. Some audio players would, when presented with a format for which it had no (co)dec would start an automatic search on the internet for one to download. I don't think this is common nowadays - at least I see few references to where to download new codecs. But if you have an updated browser (and it is difficult to stop automatic browser updates!), you can be reasonably sure that it can handle the newest variants from the FOSS community. Often, you can use your browser to read/present the file in one format, and then save it in a more traditional format. (At least for photo formats - I am not sure of audio/video formats.) I regularly use browsers for that purpose. Yes, I think it is silly, but the main silliness lies in the continuous stream of new media formats. Usually you can skip 4 out of every 5 new and revolutionary better formats (or new versions of old formats), and yet you may have problems with guessing if a sound/video has been compressed with the old or the new technology.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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kmoorevs wrote:
Continue in the Browser
I've already expressed several times my profound disdain to the guys who came up with the idea that a browser can be used for something else than browsing the Internet.
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There is one major reason: Browsers tend to have the highest update frequency of all your software. FOSS communities come up with new image, audio and video formats so frequently that the only presentation software able to keep up with all the new formats are the browsers. 20-30 years ago, before MP3 and its successors became dominant, lots of programmers, with highly varying real understanding of audio, tried their hand in making their own compressors. It was like every second sound clip you downloaded would require you to download a new (co)dec as well. I remember once counting some 30 different (co)decs (not counting alternate (co)decs for the same format on my PC. Some audio players would, when presented with a format for which it had no (co)dec would start an automatic search on the internet for one to download. I don't think this is common nowadays - at least I see few references to where to download new codecs. But if you have an updated browser (and it is difficult to stop automatic browser updates!), you can be reasonably sure that it can handle the newest variants from the FOSS community. Often, you can use your browser to read/present the file in one format, and then save it in a more traditional format. (At least for photo formats - I am not sure of audio/video formats.) I regularly use browsers for that purpose. Yes, I think it is silly, but the main silliness lies in the continuous stream of new media formats. Usually you can skip 4 out of every 5 new and revolutionary better formats (or new versions of old formats), and yet you may have problems with guessing if a sound/video has been compressed with the old or the new technology.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
Enabling editing possibilities in browser is unsecure and can only be a crippled functionality due to performance. MSOffice in a browser is a POS idea. But let's assume some people are fine with a POS toolchain, because from their perspective, it is manageable and they like to use slow and crippled functionalities - Fine for them. Then do not force ME to use this POS tool chain and give me the possibility to not have to click every freaking time on "I want to ignore your POS browser editing and use the tools I have been using for the last half century and which are better an doing your job than your POS version in the browser". I truly HATE UIs forcing things on me, this is not UX, this is not 2024.
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Browsers have come a long way from simple browsing. Netscape was probably the last one that had that as its end goal. I have been running all my email accounts in Chrome for years, and find it far superior to Outlook, Thunderbird etc.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
far superior to Outlook,
I disagree on this one, but this must truly be a matter of taste. I find online mail editors awful, even if they have improved a lot in the last decade. Especially gmail is for me totally unmanageable : as much as I like the Google environment, Gmail never made it to me, I must be to idiot to use it properly and understand the display logic. A browser should do what its name says : browse, maybe enable enough server actions to allow simple transactions. Using them for much elaborated tasks is nonsense to me, as they are not designed for. I am under the impression that there is a run to misuse browsers as much as possible ! What has been showed as an advantage by op, that browsers are always up-to-date since you have no hand on updates, is a big config management leak from my point of view.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
far superior to Outlook,
I disagree on this one, but this must truly be a matter of taste. I find online mail editors awful, even if they have improved a lot in the last decade. Especially gmail is for me totally unmanageable : as much as I like the Google environment, Gmail never made it to me, I must be to idiot to use it properly and understand the display logic. A browser should do what its name says : browse, maybe enable enough server actions to allow simple transactions. Using them for much elaborated tasks is nonsense to me, as they are not designed for. I am under the impression that there is a run to misuse browsers as much as possible ! What has been showed as an advantage by op, that browsers are always up-to-date since you have no hand on updates, is a big config management leak from my point of view.
Rage wrote:
but this must truly be a matter of taste
Well of course it is, discussion like this are always subjective.
Rage wrote:
A browser should do what its name says
The name has been a misnomer for years; browsers have been doing far more than simple browsing for a long time. whether you think that is a good or bad thing, is again, a matter of choice.
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Long time Outlook (new) user here. Yeah, it is simplified. But at least quick and it displays HTML mails and does not route you to IE 11 to show them. - The folder list is not even alphabetically ordered but Favorites is your place to arrange - Links: definitively working for me. Corporate IT thing? - You can edit the link just like in for ex. Excel, select it and press the same button you have used to add it, the same edit box will appear pre-filled with previous data - It is a Windows 8+ style modern application, it runs in the background. I get new mail notifications without running it, sometimes more than I would like to get. Search it in the applications and services list, click once, choose Special settings and will see it. If not, then Corporate IT thing? All places backtranslated from Hungarian so maybe worded a bit different in the English Outlook/Windows settings.
Peter Adam wrote:
The folder list is not even alphabetically ordered but Favorites is your place to arrange
I shouldn't have to replicate my folders under Favorites.
Peter Adam wrote:
Links: definitively working for me. Corporate IT thing?
They're not smart enough. Besides, why would disabling editing links be an issue?
Software Zen:
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Outlook at it's **very best** (a long time ago) was a total disaster. I refuse outright to use it.
