Why corporate IT must be destroyed
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group,
I just had to check this out. I'm not sure why the Startup folder might be handled differently, but I just created a shortcut to the EXE on my Desktop folder, and double-clicking it started the app just fine. If shortcuts located in the Startup folder perform the same action, I would have to assume it would work. (I have tons of stuff loaded right now and this is not a good time for me to log out/back in just to verify this)... I found the path to the EXE by right-clicking on olk.exe in Task Manager's Details tab, and selecting Open File Location. The EXE is in a folder that contains the version number in its path, so I would assume sooner or later the shortcut is gonna get broken, but that's an easy fix.
dandy72 wrote:
I found the path to the EXE by right-clicking on olk.exe in Task Manager
I didn't try that. Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it. Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing. Having to find the executable, create a shortcut to that executable, and then have to repair the shortcut after updates is cumbersome and sloppy.
Software Zen:
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there was an old saying, "nobody got fired buying from IBM." Then it got changed to Microsoft. I do not think it's reasonable to have outlawed napalm, and I believe cluster munitions have their purpose.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
I do not think it's reasonable to have outlawed napalm, and I believe cluster munitions have their purpose
I'm still searching for a bicycle-mounted anti-tank weapon. Just the thing for BMW's, Audi's, and red pickup trucks, all nemeses of mine on my commute to work when I ride my bike.
Software Zen:
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charlieg wrote:
I do not think it's reasonable to have outlawed napalm, and I believe cluster munitions have their purpose
I'm still searching for a bicycle-mounted anti-tank weapon. Just the thing for BMW's, Audi's, and red pickup trucks, all nemeses of mine on my commute to work when I ride my bike.
Software Zen:
delete this;ponder that. legally being allowed to blow off the rear end of a BMW or Audi... as long as you are on a bicycle... An armed society is a polite society. Name the book.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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ponder that. legally being allowed to blow off the rear end of a BMW or Audi... as long as you are on a bicycle... An armed society is a polite society. Name the book.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
An armed society is a polite society.
Sounds like Robert Heinlein, either from Time Enough For Love (Notebooks of Lazarus Long), or possibly from Number Of The Beast.
Software Zen:
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charlieg wrote:
An armed society is a polite society.
Sounds like Robert Heinlein, either from Time Enough For Love (Notebooks of Lazarus Long), or possibly from Number Of The Beast.
Software Zen:
delete this;Heinlein for sure... wrong books though... no googling :) The Gunshops of Mars is the reference.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Heinlein for sure... wrong books though... no googling :) The Gunshops of Mars is the reference.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
Hmm. It's been years since I did my last complete re-read. With Mars as the clue, it's either Stranger In A Strange Land (Jubal Harshaw has to be the character) or maybe Starship Troopers (Dubois in that case).
Software Zen:
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Hmm. It's been years since I did my last complete re-read. With Mars as the clue, it's either Stranger In A Strange Land (Jubal Harshaw has to be the character) or maybe Starship Troopers (Dubois in that case).
Software Zen:
delete this;you know, I might have to walk back a bit. This might have been a short story in one of the books you've mentioned. It's been a long time...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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you know, I might have to walk back a bit. This might have been a short story in one of the books you've mentioned. It's been a long time...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
I get it. Heinlein is one of those authors I have to ration myself on, especially Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, which is my favorite of his. One of the fortunate things about late middle age to early senior-hood is that I don't tend to remember as many plot details as I used to. Re-reading is therefore a lot more fun.
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dandy72 wrote:
I found the path to the EXE by right-clicking on olk.exe in Task Manager
I didn't try that. Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it. Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing. Having to find the executable, create a shortcut to that executable, and then have to repair the shortcut after updates is cumbersome and sloppy.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it.
Add the Command Line column in Task Manager's Details tab. It'll be shown there. Bonus: if it was started with command line args, you'll see them there too, which means you can add them also to your shortcut.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing
And for the longest time, people were complaining about the opposite - *all* apps tried to auto-start, even though you didn't want them to, and the hunt was on to make them stop... Personally (and ideally), I only reboot my system after Patch Tuesday, so clicking on the taskbar icon once a month to start Outlook is something I'll put up with.
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
Open File Location doesn't exist in the Start menu entry for it.
Add the Command Line column in Task Manager's Details tab. It'll be shown there. Bonus: if it was started with command line args, you'll see them there too, which means you can add them also to your shortcut.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
Part of my point here is that Teams has an easy option for having it auto-start. Outlook should have the same thing
And for the longest time, people were complaining about the opposite - *all* apps tried to auto-start, even though you didn't want them to, and the hunt was on to make them stop... Personally (and ideally), I only reboot my system after Patch Tuesday, so clicking on the taskbar icon once a month to start Outlook is something I'll put up with.
dandy72 wrote:
I only reboot my system after Patch Tuesday
Unfortunately corporate IT reboots our machines at the drop of a hat. Any hat. Hats in Cleveland (we're in Dayton Ohio). Between that and the fact that I do the installers for our product (which usually requires a reboot), it would be annoying.
Software Zen:
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
far superior to Outlook,
I disagree on this one, but this must truly be a matter of taste. I find online mail editors awful, even if they have improved a lot in the last decade. Especially gmail is for me totally unmanageable : as much as I like the Google environment, Gmail never made it to me, I must be to idiot to use it properly and understand the display logic. A browser should do what its name says : browse, maybe enable enough server actions to allow simple transactions. Using them for much elaborated tasks is nonsense to me, as they are not designed for. I am under the impression that there is a run to misuse browsers as much as possible ! What has been showed as an advantage by op, that browsers are always up-to-date since you have no hand on updates, is a big config management leak from my point of view.
I thought I was the only one who couldn't do squat with gmail--maybe I'm not incompetent after all. Luckily Thunderbird has been around for years.
FormerBIOSGuy
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Which new outlook? The thick client, or the web based version. I'm not a fan of either, but think the web based one is better for most things. Better still it's the same (mostly) for whatever OS you run. Honestly though, I miss PC-Pine (now Alpine I think). . . but I'm weird that way.
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Which new outlook? The thick client, or the web based version. I'm not a fan of either, but think the web based one is better for most things. Better still it's the same (mostly) for whatever OS you run. Honestly though, I miss PC-Pine (now Alpine I think). . . but I'm weird that way.
The thick client. It really is thick, in the British slang sense of the word.
Software Zen:
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A while back one of the muckety-mucks in our corporate IT sent an email saying we were now required to switch to the new Outlook. My experience since then is that the new Outlook was written by an amoeba swimming in cheap tequila :mad:. You can't arrange the message list like you want. The date format in the list is obnoxiously cute (last week, yesterday afternoon, just in time for tea,...). The folder list can't be ordered except alphabetically. Links in emails can only be created. Clicking on them does nothing. When composing a message you can't edit a link you created. You can't start the new Outlook automatically. The actual executable can't be run via a shortcut in the Startup group, which means you have to start it manually Every. :elephant:ing. Time. You. Log. In. I just found out they back-pedaled on the requirement: "Use the new Teams and the old Outlook". Grrr...
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
You can't start the new Outlook automatically.
Your post got me thinking... I have a BAT file which runs at login. I forget which registry key I used, but probably:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\AutoRunAnd I have it calling:CMD.EXE /C CALL "path\outlook.lnk"So now Outlook starts when I log in each morning. :-\ Edit: Corrected the registry key. -
Gary Wheeler wrote:
You can't start the new Outlook automatically.
Your post got me thinking... I have a BAT file which runs at login. I forget which registry key I used, but probably:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\AutoRunAnd I have it calling:CMD.EXE /C CALL "path\outlook.lnk"So now Outlook starts when I log in each morning. :-\ Edit: Corrected the registry key.I will keep that in mind when the corporate IT yabbos decide we have to switch. Thanks! :-D
Software Zen:
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