I've Decided...
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...that both javascript in general, and React in particular, are steaming piles of solidified bull methane. I feel like I can say that with some authority after three years of wading through it. I'm so ready for retirement...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Coming from a C# background, I fell in love with javascript and reac5lr. But yeah, the limitations of react are starting to get to me. But, I've recently discovered solidjs. Hear me out, imagine react done well. Give it a whirl. Components only render once. Signals for state. It looks really interesting.
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Coming from a C# background, I fell in love with javascript and reac5lr. But yeah, the limitations of react are starting to get to me. But, I've recently discovered solidjs. Hear me out, imagine react done well. Give it a whirl. Components only render once. Signals for state. It looks really interesting.
I cut my teeth on programming back in the late 70's. I appreciated strongly-type languages, like Pascal, and the regimentation of C++. I never learned to like Basic, and, well, you know how I feel about javascript...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
I am ambivalent about both React & JS (literally fluctuate between loving them and hating them). I would love to see a specific example of React code that is making you think this. :thumbsup: There are some things I love about React : I created a grid that allows you to : 1. point it at any JSON source 2. edit / add records, etc the JSON vai a grid form You can try it right now at my web site: https://newlibre.com/LibreGrid/[^] Read the article here on cp: LibreGrid: Drop Into Your App, In 5 Minutes CRUD Your Custom JSON Data[^] Also Hate React But, I also hate React. I need to turn that thing into a component and I don't know how. 1. I hate all that redux stuff -- no idea what it is. 2. I hate the fact that versioning changes made some of my component "old" bec React suddenly changed some foundational things. Very Interested I really hope you post an example of what is driving you crazy. Very interested.
There's really no "one thing" that's driving me crazy, and React is crap because javascript is crap, and writing web apps is crap. I'm a desktop programmer. I like being a desktop programmer. Everything else is crap. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
There's really no "one thing" that's driving me crazy, and React is crap because javascript is crap, and writing web apps is crap. I'm a desktop programmer. I like being a desktop programmer. Everything else is crap. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I started out reading the book Programming Windows 3.1 by Charles Petzold. Wow, it's readable on archive.org[^] My first IDE was was Visual C++ 1.0 -- it was not Visual Studio yet. I continued on thru Visual C++ 6.0 and then into Visual Studio & C# from the beginning in 2000 (pre-release). Oh, the days of WinForms... It was quite wonderful to be "pwned" by One True Company (Microsoft, of course). And you probably think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm really not. Microsoft set a Standard for Desktop Development and though we Devs were "kind of pwned" they were a benevolent dictator and we knew there was One Place to go for the answer. Now everything's in fragments (JS Libraries ugh!)...but this is what they call freedom. :~ ####### UPDATE ############## I was reading the Preface to Programming Windows 3.1 and I stumbled upon the hardware reqs that Petzold lists: To best run Windows and the development tools, you need the following hardware: ■ An IBM personal computer (or compatible) based on the Intel 80386 microprocessor with a hard disk and 4 megabytes (MB) of memory running MS-DOS 3-3 or later. ■ A graphics display and video board, preferably compatible with the IBM VGA (Video Graphics Array) or better. ■ A mouse. Although a mouse is generally optional for most Windows programs, some of the programs in this book require one. :laugh:
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I started out reading the book Programming Windows 3.1 by Charles Petzold. Wow, it's readable on archive.org[^] My first IDE was was Visual C++ 1.0 -- it was not Visual Studio yet. I continued on thru Visual C++ 6.0 and then into Visual Studio & C# from the beginning in 2000 (pre-release). Oh, the days of WinForms... It was quite wonderful to be "pwned" by One True Company (Microsoft, of course). And you probably think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm really not. Microsoft set a Standard for Desktop Development and though we Devs were "kind of pwned" they were a benevolent dictator and we knew there was One Place to go for the answer. Now everything's in fragments (JS Libraries ugh!)...but this is what they call freedom. :~ ####### UPDATE ############## I was reading the Preface to Programming Windows 3.1 and I stumbled upon the hardware reqs that Petzold lists: To best run Windows and the development tools, you need the following hardware: ■ An IBM personal computer (or compatible) based on the Intel 80386 microprocessor with a hard disk and 4 megabytes (MB) of memory running MS-DOS 3-3 or later. ■ A graphics display and video board, preferably compatible with the IBM VGA (Video Graphics Array) or better. ■ A mouse. Although a mouse is generally optional for most Windows programs, some of the programs in this book require one. :laugh:
Did you experience the extended memory cards that required you to plug individual chips into them? Or the math co-processor chips? Or the IBM PC clone compatibility test using Flight Simulator? I miss those days, and at the same time, I don't.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
I cut my teeth on programming back in the late 70's. I appreciated strongly-type languages, like Pascal, and the regimentation of C++. I never learned to like Basic, and, well, you know how I feel about javascript...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I had the same trajectory, but in the late 90's. Yet, I find typed languages to be dry now. JS is the wild west and once you learn your way around the minefield, its fun, for me at least.
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Did you experience the extended memory cards that required you to plug individual chips into them? Or the math co-processor chips? Or the IBM PC clone compatibility test using Flight Simulator? I miss those days, and at the same time, I don't.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
the extended memory cards that required you to plug individual chips into them
I was right at the tail end of that and basically always had 1Meg & 4Meg SIMMS
#realJSOP wrote:
Or the math co-processor chips
Yes, for sure. 486sx meant no coprocessor DX had the coprocessor. And I believe there were coprocessor chips for 386s that you could add, right? But few people had those. I was building / selling PCs at a small sole proprietor store in 91. I would call h/w sellers and haggle over buying 1MEG SIMMS for $20 (to be sold at $40). I remember buying 100MB - 170MB HDDs and thinking customers would never fill them up. I also remember my first 14,400 modem at the time which I used a couple of times to connect to a local BBS which I didn't even understand. Not long after I was connecting via AOL on the 14.4K modem.
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#realJSOP wrote:
the extended memory cards that required you to plug individual chips into them
I was right at the tail end of that and basically always had 1Meg & 4Meg SIMMS
#realJSOP wrote:
Or the math co-processor chips
Yes, for sure. 486sx meant no coprocessor DX had the coprocessor. And I believe there were coprocessor chips for 386s that you could add, right? But few people had those. I was building / selling PCs at a small sole proprietor store in 91. I would call h/w sellers and haggle over buying 1MEG SIMMS for $20 (to be sold at $40). I remember buying 100MB - 170MB HDDs and thinking customers would never fill them up. I also remember my first 14,400 modem at the time which I used a couple of times to connect to a local BBS which I didn't even understand. Not long after I was connecting via AOL on the 14.4K modem.
My first 20mb hard drive cost over $800, and I had to use g=c800:5 in the debugger app to low-level format it. Friends told me it was pointless because I'd never fill it up. My first modem was an AppleCat 300 baud. I don't miss the slow speeds at all. :) I grew to hate Basic when I had my very first computer - an Atari 400.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
My first 20mb hard drive cost over $800, and I had to use g=c800:5 in the debugger app to low-level format it. Friends told me it was pointless because I'd never fill it up. My first modem was an AppleCat 300 baud. I don't miss the slow speeds at all. :) I grew to hate Basic when I had my very first computer - an Atari 400.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
My first 20mb hard drive cost over $800, and I had to use g=c800:5 in the debugger app to low-level format it. Friends told me it was pointless because I'd never fill it up. My first modem was an AppleCat 300 baud. I don't miss the slow speeds at all. :) I grew to hate Basic when I had my very first computer - an Atari 400.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote: I don't miss the slow speeds ate all. Smile | :) I hate things that eat my code or my data CQ de W5ALT
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