Let's Help Dave
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
His post, and your replies to it, sound more like a marketing campaign. "Here's my book - first five people to respond get free copies!" Skimming the free preview at https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Software-Development-Career-Technical-ebook/dp/B0BXHYWMDP[^] , the first page of the Foreword screams that it needs a lot of additional editing. For instance, "This book is arranged in collections of those topics that you can read all the way, skim through, or look up whenever you need some guidance." The word 'those' is terrible in this usage. I would recommend something more along the lines of "This book covers many topics that can be skimmed or browsed in-depth when guidance is needed." But I would also recommend eliminating about a thousand of those "this book" phrases. They are highly repetitious, and not a sign of good writing. Based on the fact that such terrible English is used this early in the writing, I suspect reading it will be quite painful for those attuned to such crappy writing. Especially as the following writing in the Foreword is quite crappy. "This book will employ practical ..." should be "This book employs practical ..." etc... And then the Disclaimer basically says nobody should read 'this book' because it is to be used "at your own risk." "The author and publisher are not making any warranties to the information provided." Pretty big cop-out for someone to put in a book they say will help people. This section doesn't set a 'tone' for a book I would be interested in. Hope this review is helpful.
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
I'm going to agree with David O'Neil (above/below), overall. I mean, for starters I'm very particular about what books I'll read these days. I usually won't read technical books unless it's something that I can't google, and that's a surprisingly small amount of things. I would read something like Charles Petzold's "Code" but it's not really a coding manual per se. Secondly, I wrote my first (simple) application in 1986. I just don't think most books offering to help me are going to be at the level I'd need, unless they were about a specific technology or group of technologies I've previously avoided. And finally, about this book's commenter in particular - I read it as a self-promotion marketing scheme, and who knows how many other sites they shotgunned this post at? I'd say they've already got all the help they need.
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
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RichardM2024 wrote:
No, it's cheap advertising which is not acceptable here.
If Dave were to see your comment, he'd be deeply upset. :(
Good, maybe he will get upset and go away.
>64 It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Good, maybe he will get upset and go away.
>64 It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Good, maybe he will get upset and go away.
>64 It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Dave, it's OK. Please don't run away. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. These gentlemen are just being silly.
theoldfool wrote:
Good, maybe he will get upset and go away
If you made him cry and run away, I blame it on you. :|
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The only person being silly is you. If people want reviews of their work then they should just publish it in the appropriate place. Soliciting like this is not acceptable here, and never has been.
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Let's all pitch in to help our fellow member @DavesApps. He's making an honest effort to gather reviews for a book he has authored. I think it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow member in need of assistance. I know that if I were in Dave's position, I'd really appreciate the help. His thread is located, here: Dave's Book Review Thread[^]
He posted the publication of his book in his personal forum on
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Friday, April 28, 2023 4:01am by DavesApps
Would it have been a: I am finishing my book and I would like to have some feedback, interested people contact me and I will send you a wartermarked copy of it to evaluate per email... I would have had no problems at all with that. Even with the same message posting the link to a brand new amazon book. Publishing the link almost 18 months later... For me, that's not a legitime use-case anymore. In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Dave, it's OK. Please don't run away. No one is trying to hurt your feelings. These gentlemen are just being silly.
theoldfool wrote:
Good, maybe he will get upset and go away
If you made him cry and run away, I blame it on you. :|
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
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Clive Cussler, the renowned adventure novelist, had an interesting and somewhat unconventional start to his literary career. When he finished his manuscripts for “The Mediterranean Caper” and “Iceberg,” he struggled to find a literary agent. To overcome this, he created a fictional literary agency called "The Charles Winthrop Agency"1. Cussler went as far as purchasing a thousand sheets of blank letter paper and having a friend design a logo for his fake agency. He then sent out letters to real literary agents, including Peter Lampack of the William Morris Agency, pretending to be a representative of this non-existent agency12. His creative approach paid off, and he eventually secured representation, which helped launch his successful writing career.
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Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
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Clive Cussler, the renowned adventure novelist, had an interesting and somewhat unconventional start to his literary career. When he finished his manuscripts for “The Mediterranean Caper” and “Iceberg,” he struggled to find a literary agent. To overcome this, he created a fictional literary agency called "The Charles Winthrop Agency"1. Cussler went as far as purchasing a thousand sheets of blank letter paper and having a friend design a logo for his fake agency. He then sent out letters to real literary agents, including Peter Lampack of the William Morris Agency, pretending to be a representative of this non-existent agency12. His creative approach paid off, and he eventually secured representation, which helped launch his successful writing career.
raddevus wrote:
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
LOL, no, I'm not Dave! :laugh: I've never heard of this "Clive Cluster" technique. The thing is, I have years of experience managing advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies. Given my experience, I know how to gather exposure in way that is not only appropriate and ethical, but also cost-monetarily efficient. Dave didn't acquire more than a couple hundred views on his book review requests. The way in which he pitched his request indicates to me that he has minimal experience and knowledge in how to properly promote a product, or service. I don't mean this to be any sort of derogatory statement toward Dave, but I must be honest. When it comes to marketing and advertising, I don't believe Dave has much of a clue. From what I gather, he's trying to do the best he can with what he has. I hope that in the future he will make the effort to learn how to advertise in a way that is effective and ethical. I'm only playing with Dave. I have absolutely no intent of inflicting insult, grief, or harm to anyone whatsoever, including Dave vimself. If anything, I hope that Dave picked up on the fact that there are proper ways in which to advertise, and promote his work effectively. I'm amused by your insinuation, but no worries. By no means is that assumption correct in any way. I do understand how someone may come to reason that I could be Dave, but I'm not Dave. If you were to name any 12 Fortune 1000 companies, or perhaps more specifically, the top 100 companies in the list, you will most likely name one or more of my past clients. Most of my clients have million-dollar budgets, and it was my responsibility to help them make the most out of their investments. I swear, I'm not Dave, and I've never met him. I was just playing with him for laughs, nothing more. :-D
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He posted the publication of his book in his personal forum on
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Friday, April 28, 2023 4:01am by DavesApps
Would it have been a: I am finishing my book and I would like to have some feedback, interested people contact me and I will send you a wartermarked copy of it to evaluate per email... I would have had no problems at all with that. Even with the same message posting the link to a brand new amazon book. Publishing the link almost 18 months later... For me, that's not a legitime use-case anymore. In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
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Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
Steve Raw wrote:
Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start.
you still have enough ways to show "your intentions" in text if you are an experienced internet user (what I presuppose you are), and you missed all / didn't use any of them. If you want to make jokes, or sarcastic comments... use the textual signs to compensate the missin paraverbal and non verbal information.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Yes, I understand. That's well said. If Dave had communicated his request in a genuine way, and not in a way that violates the rules of this forum, it may have been OK. I too enjoy sharing with others what projects I may be working on, and people may come to the incorrect conclusion about what my intentions are in doing so. In sharing my work, there's no benefit to me in any way. If I were looking to gain something by sharing my work, then I would advertise it properly. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm well experienced in advertising and marketing. I've managed marketing and advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies with million-dollar budgets. I know how to get the word out in the proper way.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse.
I understand. I think if Dave's post was out-of-line to the extent that it required deletion, then it would have been removed very early on. That would send the message to me that my joking around isn't appreciated.
Nelek wrote:
In addition: you bringing more attention to something that could have just stayed like that, has only made it worse. And you are getting really close to the limit of what I consider trolling. I ask you to stop, please.
Certainly. As soon as I saw that others didn't see the humor in my playing around with Dave, and the word "troll" was brought up, I discontinued everything. I apologize to anyone who may have not appreciated my playing around with poor Dave. It was all in jest, and I certainly can't expect everyone to find humor in what I'm doing. This site has members from all over the world. It's a well-establish fact that in large part, someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious. Add on the fact that textual communication strips out 80% of all language that would be conveyed in comparison to what a face-to-face interaction provides to its participants, and that's how problems start. Hence, any attempt at humor in this environment is bound to result in friction most of the time, regardless of context. If I ever get to a point where it's more of an annoyance than an expression of humor, then I stop. That's my rule. It can be a blurred line, and once I realize that it's unwelcome behavior to others, it loses its humor to me. I'm not out to cause trouble, str
Steve Raw wrote:
someone in country "A" will find no humor (or even find offense) in what someone from country "B" finds to be hilarious.
You now made me curious... are you from the U.S.A. as your profile says? Or do you come from somewhere else? (where?)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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raddevus wrote:
Ah, the Clive Cussler technique... (It's obvious, you are Dave.)
LOL, no, I'm not Dave! :laugh: I've never heard of this "Clive Cluster" technique. The thing is, I have years of experience managing advertising campaigns for Fortune 1000 companies. Given my experience, I know how to gather exposure in way that is not only appropriate and ethical, but also cost-monetarily efficient. Dave didn't acquire more than a couple hundred views on his book review requests. The way in which he pitched his request indicates to me that he has minimal experience and knowledge in how to properly promote a product, or service. I don't mean this to be any sort of derogatory statement toward Dave, but I must be honest. When it comes to marketing and advertising, I don't believe Dave has much of a clue. From what I gather, he's trying to do the best he can with what he has. I hope that in the future he will make the effort to learn how to advertise in a way that is effective and ethical. I'm only playing with Dave. I have absolutely no intent of inflicting insult, grief, or harm to anyone whatsoever, including Dave vimself. If anything, I hope that Dave picked up on the fact that there are proper ways in which to advertise, and promote his work effectively. I'm amused by your insinuation, but no worries. By no means is that assumption correct in any way. I do understand how someone may come to reason that I could be Dave, but I'm not Dave. If you were to name any 12 Fortune 1000 companies, or perhaps more specifically, the top 100 companies in the list, you will most likely name one or more of my past clients. Most of my clients have million-dollar budgets, and it was my responsibility to help them make the most out of their investments. I swear, I'm not Dave, and I've never met him. I was just playing with him for laughs, nothing more. :-D
(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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David O'Neil wrote:
difficult to believe that you are not Dave
or StevieWondermann - Professional Profile[^] it would seem.
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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I do not think both accounts are the same user, in all the rest... I agree 150%
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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(If you continue in this way, you are going to be viewed as a pompous idiot. First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea. (In the future, maybe think a bit more before jumping in head over heels like this. You diminish yourself with actions such as these.)
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David O'Neil wrote:
First you were pushing us to help Dave, by reviewing his book, and even created a dedicated thread in order to do so. Then you say you were playing with him. Now you say that you have years of experience in advertising campaigns for 'the biggest companies!' But you didn't recognize his post as the advertisement it seems to be. And now you are apologizing to Dave in another thread. It is hard to take you seriously after these actions. It is incredibly difficult to believe that you are not Dave, even though you refute the idea.
LOL,