Education is the solution
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How do you propose to educate people in Afganistan and many other parts of the Middle East about a liberal society? They are teaching quite the opposite and there is nothing that we can do about this 'education' that is ingrained in the mindset of the people of these nations. There was a documentary in BBC, that said: People in pakistan kill their sisters if they marry out of caste, as it is a matter of honour. They are taught that Quran requires them to do so OR they will have the wrath of Allah. I cant imagine what else these guys must have been taught. In those societies, only guys matter any way, women have very little or no freedom to even express themselves and be safe. - Thomas
Education is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Make love not war" "Imagine Peace" "All we are saying is give peace a chance" Which all sounds really GREAT, until some rogue moron comes along and kicks your ***. All this junk assumes that we can get everyone thinking the same way. It will never happen. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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There are many poor people in the world but few commit suicide attacks...way...? If you teach little childrens that the US is the big satan and Israel is the small one just because they admire freedom you will get a suicide terrorist Words can make more damage than bullets. Education is the solution to terrorism. Tomer Dror Israel
Do you really think education is the solution? Education may stop (or decrease) suicide attacks, but I'm from a country with over 20 years of terrorism without any suicide. There are a lot of countries with non-islamic terrorists and a good education. Increasing their education would only translate into better formed terrorists. That is not the solution. To finish with terrorism is not just a matter of force, as history has shown us, the key is in the dialog between the parts trying to reach an accord (Actually most of the wars/terrorist acts respond to particular interests). I know all this might sound a topic but lately (and I really understand it since I've had the same thoughts when it happened near me) I've been reading some posts that I'd like to think that have been impulsive and due to the magnitude of the situation. To find a solution to this problem is a responsability for all the mankind and is the only way we will reach anything other than another killing. At last but most important, I'd like to say that I feel really sad for what has happened and I hope this meaningless scene won't happen again, and we have to work for that.
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Education is the answer? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Make love not war" "Imagine Peace" "All we are saying is give peace a chance" Which all sounds really GREAT, until some rogue moron comes along and kicks your ***. All this junk assumes that we can get everyone thinking the same way. It will never happen. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
Exactly! What we always forget is these are all western values, and western values are the very thing these guys (the terrorists) are trying to destroy. It's the very fear that their children might be educated by our values that helps to motivate them to destroy us.
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There are many poor people in the world but few commit suicide attacks...way...? If you teach little childrens that the US is the big satan and Israel is the small one just because they admire freedom you will get a suicide terrorist Words can make more damage than bullets. Education is the solution to terrorism. Tomer Dror Israel
I think you're right . Education IS the solution. One of the most unimaginable images I've seen these days was the crowd from the streets of Jerusalem . Those 15 years old children singing and dancing because somewhere in the world thousands of people just died . I just can't imagine in what dark world they live. You where watching the next generation of terrorists. They grow and are educated with the idea that somewhere in this world is somebody responsible for theirs misfortune and misery. They are a free and easy catch for the extremists.
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I think you're right . Education IS the solution. One of the most unimaginable images I've seen these days was the crowd from the streets of Jerusalem . Those 15 years old children singing and dancing because somewhere in the world thousands of people just died . I just can't imagine in what dark world they live. You where watching the next generation of terrorists. They grow and are educated with the idea that somewhere in this world is somebody responsible for theirs misfortune and misery. They are a free and easy catch for the extremists.
They grow and are educated with the idea that somewhere in this world is somebody responsible for theirs misfortune and misery. They are a free and easy catch for the extremists. Hmmm... Here it is again. You think that education is the solution, then say that education is the problem. Which is it? Again, education is not the answer -- it is only a tool that must be a small part of the answer. The real answer is to get everyone to realize _and follow_ the absolute truth. Knowing that something is wrong doesn't keep criminals from breaking the law... John
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They grow and are educated with the idea that somewhere in this world is somebody responsible for theirs misfortune and misery. They are a free and easy catch for the extremists. Hmmm... Here it is again. You think that education is the solution, then say that education is the problem. Which is it? Again, education is not the answer -- it is only a tool that must be a small part of the answer. The real answer is to get everyone to realize _and follow_ the absolute truth. Knowing that something is wrong doesn't keep criminals from breaking the law... John
Well, maybe I didn't make myself clear :) . Ended, these people are educated. But are educated in the wrong direction. That's the cause of what they do : they believe that this is the answer to theirs problems. This is what they KNOW about the real world, and this knowledge was formed by education. What I am talking about is to give to these people a chance , to show them the other side of things. To make them understand that the world is much larger then their own backyard. In a word ,to cut the evil from the root : to give them a GOOD education. Criminals brake the law because they don't give a s*** about the law. That's the way they were educated. Education makes you what you are, not your physical constitution. You live in a society , not in a jungle.
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Well, maybe I didn't make myself clear :) . Ended, these people are educated. But are educated in the wrong direction. That's the cause of what they do : they believe that this is the answer to theirs problems. This is what they KNOW about the real world, and this knowledge was formed by education. What I am talking about is to give to these people a chance , to show them the other side of things. To make them understand that the world is much larger then their own backyard. In a word ,to cut the evil from the root : to give them a GOOD education. Criminals brake the law because they don't give a s*** about the law. That's the way they were educated. Education makes you what you are, not your physical constitution. You live in a society , not in a jungle.
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So, which 'education' will be the official one? Christian? Hindu? Atheist? Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Well, maybe I didn't make myself clear :) . Ended, these people are educated. But are educated in the wrong direction. That's the cause of what they do : they believe that this is the answer to theirs problems. This is what they KNOW about the real world, and this knowledge was formed by education. What I am talking about is to give to these people a chance , to show them the other side of things. To make them understand that the world is much larger then their own backyard. In a word ,to cut the evil from the root : to give them a GOOD education. Criminals brake the law because they don't give a s*** about the law. That's the way they were educated. Education makes you what you are, not your physical constitution. You live in a society , not in a jungle.
Thanks for clearing it up. :) I agree that a good education is important, and hope that you never misunderstood me on that point. However, I'll never think that education is more than just a part of the fix. Why? Let's take the criminals as an example. "Guy" is born into an average, middle-class, American family. He gets along well with his friends and ok with his family. As he grows up he gets his education from the public school system and obtains better than average grades. Somewhere along the line Guy decides that an unmanned (unwommanned?) purse on a park bench is "fair game" and takes it home. No one ever notices, and he doesn't get in trouble. -- He has just been educated that the law doesn't catch everyone. So, he tries it a few more times and still doesn't get caught. After a while he decides to try other forms of crime. The process continues until (hopefully) he gets caught somewhere. No, that isn't a real-life example. But it is sooo possible, that I wouldn't be surprised if I only had to change the name in order for it to be a real-life example. The point is this: No stand-up-and-tell-people-stuff educational system is ever going to be enough. People learn things (are educated) through experience as well. If their experience teaches them that they can get away with the things they _want_ to do, some will try it. At this point, the normal concept of "education" is irrelevant. Their selfish desires are in control of their actions. Until you fix that, people will take advantage of the holes that they find (or think they found), and criminal activity will always be around. John
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Thanks for clearing it up. :) I agree that a good education is important, and hope that you never misunderstood me on that point. However, I'll never think that education is more than just a part of the fix. Why? Let's take the criminals as an example. "Guy" is born into an average, middle-class, American family. He gets along well with his friends and ok with his family. As he grows up he gets his education from the public school system and obtains better than average grades. Somewhere along the line Guy decides that an unmanned (unwommanned?) purse on a park bench is "fair game" and takes it home. No one ever notices, and he doesn't get in trouble. -- He has just been educated that the law doesn't catch everyone. So, he tries it a few more times and still doesn't get caught. After a while he decides to try other forms of crime. The process continues until (hopefully) he gets caught somewhere. No, that isn't a real-life example. But it is sooo possible, that I wouldn't be surprised if I only had to change the name in order for it to be a real-life example. The point is this: No stand-up-and-tell-people-stuff educational system is ever going to be enough. People learn things (are educated) through experience as well. If their experience teaches them that they can get away with the things they _want_ to do, some will try it. At this point, the normal concept of "education" is irrelevant. Their selfish desires are in control of their actions. Until you fix that, people will take advantage of the holes that they find (or think they found), and criminal activity will always be around. John
I'm agree with you , but what else can be done ? You will have to give everybody a chance . What they will choose to do with it, that's theirs problem ! Eventually they will end the days of theirs life in a nice and cozy jail, but that's another problem. Or, as is the case now they will have to disappear because it's no place for them in the society. I think there is no final answer to this kind of questions, all you can do is to keep the hope alive :) !
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So, which 'education' will be the official one? Christian? Hindu? Atheist? Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Ah, but we are talking about actions based on religious beliefs. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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So basically you are saying that you would teach an atheistic based philosophy? Which of course is a religion to many people. Religion: (4) A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. So, I guess in your new world order, everyone must be an atheist. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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So basically you are saying that you would teach an atheistic based philosophy? Which of course is a religion to many people. Religion: (4) A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. So, I guess in your new world order, everyone must be an atheist. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
I'm not teaching anything , and for the moment I'm not planning to build any brave new world. I guess you are an educated person. Tell me, have you received an 'atheistic based philosophy' , or what ? The education from school had something to do with religion ? ( physics , biology, mathematics, geography, etc ). I thought the days when religion is considered a science are gone , starting from Galileo.
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So, which 'education' will be the official one? Christian? Hindu? Atheist? Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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I'm not teaching anything , and for the moment I'm not planning to build any brave new world. I guess you are an educated person. Tell me, have you received an 'atheistic based philosophy' , or what ? The education from school had something to do with religion ? ( physics , biology, mathematics, geography, etc ). I thought the days when religion is considered a science are gone , starting from Galileo.
Ok, I don't get it. On one hand you say education is the key, but on the other you say are not teaching anything. Which is it? The only way for education to be the key is if you attack the heart of some of the more fundamental elements of the Islamic religion. You can't have it both ways which is my point. In your idea of an educated solution is to remove elements of a religion you don't agree with. By doing that you are in fact forcing your own religious beliefs on someone else. Which is EXACTLY what so many atheists whine about. Your argument makes no sense. You are trying to say that religion free education will change theses people. How? The only way you will change their minds is by changing their religious and moral views. Now many have tried to argue that schools can teach ethics. They make the claim that ethics exist outside of morals. Morals, of course, are most commonly associated with religion. Unfortunately, this argument is grossly flawed since the difference in ethics and morals is semantic at best and over exaggerated by people who try to distance themselves from religion. So, since ethics and morals are basically the same thing, then schools are teaching morals. The morals which you wish to impose are at odds with the morals of the Islamic religion. So, I ask again, which religion should be the standard for all education? (Oh, and just in case you are wondering, I am agnostic.) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
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Ok, I don't get it. On one hand you say education is the key, but on the other you say are not teaching anything. Which is it? The only way for education to be the key is if you attack the heart of some of the more fundamental elements of the Islamic religion. You can't have it both ways which is my point. In your idea of an educated solution is to remove elements of a religion you don't agree with. By doing that you are in fact forcing your own religious beliefs on someone else. Which is EXACTLY what so many atheists whine about. Your argument makes no sense. You are trying to say that religion free education will change theses people. How? The only way you will change their minds is by changing their religious and moral views. Now many have tried to argue that schools can teach ethics. They make the claim that ethics exist outside of morals. Morals, of course, are most commonly associated with religion. Unfortunately, this argument is grossly flawed since the difference in ethics and morals is semantic at best and over exaggerated by people who try to distance themselves from religion. So, since ethics and morals are basically the same thing, then schools are teaching morals. The morals which you wish to impose are at odds with the morals of the Islamic religion. So, I ask again, which religion should be the standard for all education? (Oh, and just in case you are wondering, I am agnostic.) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
You can be a religious person without being a fanatic. I just want to say that it's better to have from where to choose.An educated person makes better choices. CHOICE is the word. Religion is for you, and you only, it's something personal. Education must be the for everyone. PS : I don't like to make sophisms.
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Ok, I don't get it. On one hand you say education is the key, but on the other you say are not teaching anything. Which is it? The only way for education to be the key is if you attack the heart of some of the more fundamental elements of the Islamic religion. You can't have it both ways which is my point. In your idea of an educated solution is to remove elements of a religion you don't agree with. By doing that you are in fact forcing your own religious beliefs on someone else. Which is EXACTLY what so many atheists whine about. Your argument makes no sense. You are trying to say that religion free education will change theses people. How? The only way you will change their minds is by changing their religious and moral views. Now many have tried to argue that schools can teach ethics. They make the claim that ethics exist outside of morals. Morals, of course, are most commonly associated with religion. Unfortunately, this argument is grossly flawed since the difference in ethics and morals is semantic at best and over exaggerated by people who try to distance themselves from religion. So, since ethics and morals are basically the same thing, then schools are teaching morals. The morals which you wish to impose are at odds with the morals of the Islamic religion. So, I ask again, which religion should be the standard for all education? (Oh, and just in case you are wondering, I am agnostic.) Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.
There is nothing wrong with religions as such. The people who practice the religions always try to use it to their advantage. I think the western world probably had their share of Christian fanaticism during the crusades. Then they had the racial fanaticism of Hitler. India has seen Hindu fanaticism. There was a mosque destroyed in north india and later caused much bloodshed in riots. Recently these hindu fanatics also killed a few Christian missionaries. But, the majority Hindu population of India has no reservations against the Muslims. Muslim countries (Afganisthan in particular) are practising Muslim fanaticism. According to a Pakistani newspaper, all activities by the government that would be difficult to impose on people are done in the name of Islam. This makes it difficult for anyone in that country to oppose it/ The idea is to have promote a 'live and let live' or 'moderate' approach to everything. People have to be 'educated' to live with other points of view that differ from theirs. But, the point is - how do we achieve this around the world? The education can be Christian, Hindu, atheist or Muslim. But, this point is the education should 'firmly implant' in the minds that the world is not made up of people, who share your point of view, but let them live with their views (without hurting others, ofcourse). -- Thomas
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You can be a religious person without being a fanatic. I just want to say that it's better to have from where to choose.An educated person makes better choices. CHOICE is the word. Religion is for you, and you only, it's something personal. Education must be the for everyone. PS : I don't like to make sophisms.
Oh well, I guess I am talking to the wall. You just will never see that your idea of 'well educated' means someone who agrees with you. By saying that a 'well educated' person wouldn't chose the path of his religion implies that the process of education is teaching a different set of moral and ethical standards. Tim Smith Descartes Systems Sciences, Inc.