200K-350K salary for MFC programmer!
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
They pay overtime too!!!! Never heard of such a thing :suss: Steve
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
I used to do a job almost identical to that for about a tenth of the price. The only experience I don't have is the one "essential" piece and the fact that I don't live in the US doesn't help. All I will say is that anyone who has to deal with Tibco deserves more than they're getting. Not the most pleasant experiences I've ever had. (looking around, hoping there's no Tibco programmers in the room) Of course the company may have improved in the four years since I dealt with them. :-O Paul
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
I thought all people who contributed articles to CodeProject got paid that kind of money :confused: Cheers, Tom Archer Inside C#,
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I used to do a job almost identical to that for about a tenth of the price. The only experience I don't have is the one "essential" piece and the fact that I don't live in the US doesn't help. All I will say is that anyone who has to deal with Tibco deserves more than they're getting. Not the most pleasant experiences I've ever had. (looking around, hoping there's no Tibco programmers in the room) Of course the company may have improved in the four years since I dealt with them. :-O Paul
There is nothing special about Tibco its just another MOM (Messaging Orientated Middleware) with adaptors. Its a good salary though. I have never been anywhere close to that. But does the world really need another automated futures / arbitrage system distorting the markets and sucks out a percentage of everything we produce.
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I thought all people who contributed articles to CodeProject got paid that kind of money :confused: Cheers, Tom Archer Inside C#,
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
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They want you to do COM in MFC... I'm not sure if I'd say "yes"...
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sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenThey want you to do COM in MFC... I'm not sure if I'd say "yes"... What's wrong in doing COM in MFC? At least you can write your own QueryInterface. Could you do it in .NET? You can do aggregation and delegation. Sure, threading is difficult, but maybe it's not required. For that money: I'll write it in assembly:eek: "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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I thought all people who contributed articles to CodeProject got paid that kind of money :confused: Cheers, Tom Archer Inside C#,
Extending MFC Applications with the .NET Framework It's better to listen to others than to speak, because I already know what I'm going to say anyway. - friend of Jörgen SigvardssonTom Archer wrote: I thought all people who contributed articles to CodeProject got paid that kind of money exactly Tom !! Regardz Colin J Davies
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
Masaaki Onishi wrote: Can you believe this? Yes, There are folk getting that kind of money. Lets say you can write apps that will help your company generate an extra 20 Million a year ? What should your salary be ? It is interesting though that just by offering megabucks does not mean you will get better applicants. For a long time I have been arguing that software developers are way underpaid, for the impact they have on business and the community. Possibly that is why software development has been attracting the wrong type of people for some time. Regardz Colin J Davies
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They want you to do COM in MFC... I'm not sure if I'd say "yes"... What's wrong in doing COM in MFC? At least you can write your own QueryInterface. Could you do it in .NET? You can do aggregation and delegation. Sure, threading is difficult, but maybe it's not required. For that money: I'll write it in assembly:eek: "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
It's in New York. You'll probably need most of it to pay for rent.
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderRoger Wright wrote: if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know... :laugh: :laugh: ;P
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Masaaki Onishi wrote: Can you believe this? Yes, There are folk getting that kind of money. Lets say you can write apps that will help your company generate an extra 20 Million a year ? What should your salary be ? It is interesting though that just by offering megabucks does not mean you will get better applicants. For a long time I have been arguing that software developers are way underpaid, for the impact they have on business and the community. Possibly that is why software development has been attracting the wrong type of people for some time. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: There are folk getting that kind of money. Actually, I have never heard of one average team lead making over $300K for MFC, even in the boom years ;) What a company makes on your work seldom dictates your salary. They usually give you what they call "Market", that meaning as little as they can get by with and you still to perform the job. A few years back I worked for this one company that was golden. They even had their clients paying for them to fix their bugs. Hmm. Once client wanted a slight modification which required around 40 man hours. The job was split between another fellow and me and was completed in less than a week. The company was out at the most $2,500 - $3,000 included the time for the person to jot down the brief specs for the job. The company billed them for $400K. A few months later the company said they had just completed a market review for the area and peoples salaries would be adjusted accordingly. Not that the company was needed to cut salaries, they just noticed that they could get others to work for less. Of course, for most that would have meant less. I split before that new "Market" salary took effect. Rocky Moore <><
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderRoger Wright wrote: do without the zeros Hell that's nothing Roger. I can do it without the 1's as well :) Luxury!!! Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
Yep thats not unusual, but they are probably looking for people with very good maths and a clear understanding of the business at hand - as its trading then thats how they can afford to pay for it. Seems only fair that if they get someone in that can work in a high pressure trading environment that they share in some of the spoils, otherwise 6 months down the line the person would leave feeling they have been chaeted when they see how much everyone else is earning.
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They want you to do COM in MFC... I'm not sure if I'd say "yes"... What's wrong in doing COM in MFC? At least you can write your own QueryInterface. Could you do it in .NET? You can do aggregation and delegation. Sure, threading is difficult, but maybe it's not required. For that money: I'll write it in assembly:eek: "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
COM is complicated enough. Leave the MFC roadblock out of my way. Sure, if I could do the COM stuff on my own... but if the PM wants me to do the using MFC's COM support X| I'd probably spend 80% of the salary on on narcotics and psychatrists. Multiple Interfaces. Resources. Threading. :ugh: As long as I can do a good job, for no money I'd want to do a bad job. At least, not for *that* money.
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Masaaki Onishi wrote: Can you believe this? Yes, There are folk getting that kind of money. Lets say you can write apps that will help your company generate an extra 20 Million a year ? What should your salary be ? It is interesting though that just by offering megabucks does not mean you will get better applicants. For a long time I have been arguing that software developers are way underpaid, for the impact they have on business and the community. Possibly that is why software development has been attracting the wrong type of people for some time. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Exactly ! No one would blink if this was a sales / marketing / management job. So why are commercially aware senior developers / architects not entitled to similar reward for effort. Either because you can generate that extra revenue or save it off the bottom line.
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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Colin Davies wrote: There are folk getting that kind of money. Actually, I have never heard of one average team lead making over $300K for MFC, even in the boom years ;) What a company makes on your work seldom dictates your salary. They usually give you what they call "Market", that meaning as little as they can get by with and you still to perform the job. A few years back I worked for this one company that was golden. They even had their clients paying for them to fix their bugs. Hmm. Once client wanted a slight modification which required around 40 man hours. The job was split between another fellow and me and was completed in less than a week. The company was out at the most $2,500 - $3,000 included the time for the person to jot down the brief specs for the job. The company billed them for $400K. A few months later the company said they had just completed a market review for the area and peoples salaries would be adjusted accordingly. Not that the company was needed to cut salaries, they just noticed that they could get others to work for less. Of course, for most that would have meant less. I split before that new "Market" salary took effect. Rocky Moore <><
Rocky Moore wrote: What a company makes on your work seldom dictates your salary. I agree, but not all employers take the same approach. Financial services is a good example of an industry where knowledge = power = money. Thus to be able to extract the best information, paying way in excess of the 'market' rate is logical. Some employers actualy see this logic. I had a company I contracted to 4 years ago who basically said I could take a cut of what I made for the company. That particular company was headed by real logical folk and achieved a spectacular success, until they were sold to a useless mega Insurance block. In most cases though you recieve what you manage to negotiate for. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Exactly ! No one would blink if this was a sales / marketing / management job. So why are commercially aware senior developers / architects not entitled to similar reward for effort. Either because you can generate that extra revenue or save it off the bottom line.
Great to see someone else on the same wavelength. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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