Another incredible MS f@#k-up
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If any MS buttheads are listening, go see if you can find the incompetent asshole responsible for the 'Windows XP Application Compatibility ANALyzer. This low-grade shareware quality piece of s&%t is supposed to test an app's readiness for inclusion in the 'Windows Catalog'. A do-nothing MFC app (MFC 7.1) causes a number of errors in the Obsolete API category... but that's only a hint of the fun that's about to start. I tried running a non-trivial app with this joke of a test tool. It wouldn't run at all - but not because it failed a compatibility test (no test other than the obsolete API was selected, and the app uses none, except those included in the MFC code). Experiments indicate the reason it wouldn't run is that a folder in the path, and the app name itself, have spaces in them. The 'tool', if one was to so glorify this piece of puke, is apparently unable to deal with this test of programming skills. But wait - that's only the start. Since the failed attempt to run said app under the Compatibility ANALyzer, it now won't run at all. Apparently a registry/system modification is made by the ANALyzer such that all attempts to run said app will log ANALyzer data. But since the ANALyzer is incapable of dealing with a space in the path, it is now impossible to run said app at all - either through the VS.NET 2003 IDE, or even by double clicking the file in Windows Explorer. I removed the app entry from the ANALyzer's list, to no avail. I've uninstalled the ANALyzer and the modifications remain in place. I've searched the likely locations in the registry to try and find the offending entry, with no luck. So not only does the tool not work for s$&t, it now prevents me from (apparently) ever running that app/working on that project again, unless (it seems) I re-format my HD and re-install everything. Oh yeah, I'm going to try that again! Ask me if I f#$%*&g care about inclusion in the goddamn Windows f^^&$#g Catalog!!! At this point, I'm about ready to return the new Visual Studio, Windows XP Pro and every other f&*(@#g thing I've bought from Bill's bunch of boneheads in the last 6 months and begin developing for Linux.
Contrary to majority here: You've got my 5. And I want MSFT also to hear an outrage from all possible forums (with sister hearing or not) -- quality of latest products coming from MSFT is absolutely unacceptable. For those guys here who have nothing else to do, but to recommend you another forum: Cool down: you are in no position to tell others where is appropriate place for the message: Are you Administrators here? "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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Hey, I dont care about the analyzer or who's fault it is. If its causing you soooo much trouble just stop using it. You seem to literally be in pain about using it, so just dont. If you think linux can do the job better, why *not* use it? Yeah you are obviously frusterated (dont worry, linux will never frusterate you) but a long rant on a primarily windows developers website isnt helping anyone. Either state your problem and ask for help, or just alert people of the true bug. No need for drama. Whats the big deal?
Well put! Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "Jokes should at least try to be intelligent - this is just toilet humor" - Heath Stewart -
Contrary to majority here: You've got my 5. And I want MSFT also to hear an outrage from all possible forums (with sister hearing or not) -- quality of latest products coming from MSFT is absolutely unacceptable. For those guys here who have nothing else to do, but to recommend you another forum: Cool down: you are in no position to tell others where is appropriate place for the message: Are you Administrators here? "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
igor1960 wrote: you are in no position to tell others where is appropriate place for the message The guidelines for the Lounge are clearly posted. Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "Jokes should at least try to be intelligent - this is just toilet humor" - Heath Stewart -
If any MS buttheads are listening, go see if you can find the incompetent asshole responsible for the 'Windows XP Application Compatibility ANALyzer. This low-grade shareware quality piece of s&%t is supposed to test an app's readiness for inclusion in the 'Windows Catalog'. A do-nothing MFC app (MFC 7.1) causes a number of errors in the Obsolete API category... but that's only a hint of the fun that's about to start. I tried running a non-trivial app with this joke of a test tool. It wouldn't run at all - but not because it failed a compatibility test (no test other than the obsolete API was selected, and the app uses none, except those included in the MFC code). Experiments indicate the reason it wouldn't run is that a folder in the path, and the app name itself, have spaces in them. The 'tool', if one was to so glorify this piece of puke, is apparently unable to deal with this test of programming skills. But wait - that's only the start. Since the failed attempt to run said app under the Compatibility ANALyzer, it now won't run at all. Apparently a registry/system modification is made by the ANALyzer such that all attempts to run said app will log ANALyzer data. But since the ANALyzer is incapable of dealing with a space in the path, it is now impossible to run said app at all - either through the VS.NET 2003 IDE, or even by double clicking the file in Windows Explorer. I removed the app entry from the ANALyzer's list, to no avail. I've uninstalled the ANALyzer and the modifications remain in place. I've searched the likely locations in the registry to try and find the offending entry, with no luck. So not only does the tool not work for s$&t, it now prevents me from (apparently) ever running that app/working on that project again, unless (it seems) I re-format my HD and re-install everything. Oh yeah, I'm going to try that again! Ask me if I f#$%*&g care about inclusion in the goddamn Windows f^^&$#g Catalog!!! At this point, I'm about ready to return the new Visual Studio, Windows XP Pro and every other f&*(@#g thing I've bought from Bill's bunch of boneheads in the last 6 months and begin developing for Linux.
Microsoft has rarely held itself accountable for meeting its own logo requirements. Even VS.NET 2003 doesn't install correctly if you choose anything but the destination directory they default to - pathetic. MFC is so horribly antiquated at this point that they'll never get around to removing all of the deprecated API references and other obsolete baggage it has. ATL/WTL is only in slightly better shape. Unfortunately, the alternative is to develop your own framework which is not only time-consuming but likely to eventually suffer from the same problems. There's a word for this phenomenon: "entropy". It affects software just as much as anything else. Jim Lamb Brilliant Labs, Inc. http://brilliantlabs.com/[^]
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igor1960 wrote: you are in no position to tell others where is appropriate place for the message The guidelines for the Lounge are clearly posted. Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "Jokes should at least try to be intelligent - this is just toilet humor" - Heath StewartMy Kid Sister is 21? What can't she hear? All foul language is censored so why get your panties in such a bunch over a fellow developer having a very bad day. Take away the fact that this is a public forum where we should be able to vent our frustration ( not be emotionless drones who never get angry ) and this lounge is useless. I'm not saying its the best place for it but i don't think they guy deserved to get verbally raped by the entire community population for venting a bit. Grow up people. My 2 cents. -- Joe Joseph Dempsey joseph_r_dempsey@yahoo.com "What?, Of course its fireproof! ...... < 10 Minutes later in the ER > Sorry..." How about, "Bugs?, of course there are not bugs .... < 3 weeks after Production Release > Sorry..."
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igor1960 wrote: you are in no position to tell others where is appropriate place for the message The guidelines for the Lounge are clearly posted. Matt Newman
Sonork: 100:11179 "Jokes should at least try to be intelligent - this is just toilet humor" - Heath StewartThe guidelines for the Lounge are clearly posted. Yes. And should it be you to enforce those guidelines? Ever though about different occupation then? "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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My Kid Sister is 21? What can't she hear? All foul language is censored so why get your panties in such a bunch over a fellow developer having a very bad day. Take away the fact that this is a public forum where we should be able to vent our frustration ( not be emotionless drones who never get angry ) and this lounge is useless. I'm not saying its the best place for it but i don't think they guy deserved to get verbally raped by the entire community population for venting a bit. Grow up people. My 2 cents. -- Joe Joseph Dempsey joseph_r_dempsey@yahoo.com "What?, Of course its fireproof! ...... < 10 Minutes later in the ER > Sorry..." How about, "Bugs?, of course there are not bugs .... < 3 weeks after Production Release > Sorry..."
I don't have a sister, let alone a kid sister. But this does not give me the right to stamp on other people's sensitivities. The public forum where you and I are posting messages is community driven, and there are a small number of very simple rules to be followed. The rules are there not to make it hell for us, but to make things as easy and as smooth as possible. I agree that there's a fellow developer who is upset, and needs to vent. But there's a separate forum here for venting and ranting and cussing. The lounge enjoys a very high visibility, and the top few message headlines can even be seen from the homepage. Most of the developers who come to this site also visit the lounge. We need to keep it clean and healthy, because of so many young fellow developers who come here. While we sympathise with the fellow developer in distress, we cannot allow the environment to be spoiled. Let's keep this place so everyone can enjoy it.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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The guidelines for the Lounge are clearly posted. Yes. And should it be you to enforce those guidelines? Ever though about different occupation then? "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
Who else will enforce them, if not the community? This is a community driven place, remember. The rules are made by the community for itself. If members of the community feel something wrong is taking place, they have every right to speak up.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
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You're right. It's clearly more important to avoid offending CPers than it is to alert them (albeit a bit stridently) to a buggy dev tool.
People here seem to be married to Microsoft. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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I don't have a sister, let alone a kid sister. But this does not give me the right to stamp on other people's sensitivities. The public forum where you and I are posting messages is community driven, and there are a small number of very simple rules to be followed. The rules are there not to make it hell for us, but to make things as easy and as smooth as possible. I agree that there's a fellow developer who is upset, and needs to vent. But there's a separate forum here for venting and ranting and cussing. The lounge enjoys a very high visibility, and the top few message headlines can even be seen from the homepage. Most of the developers who come to this site also visit the lounge. We need to keep it clean and healthy, because of so many young fellow developers who come here. While we sympathise with the fellow developer in distress, we cannot allow the environment to be spoiled. Let's keep this place so everyone can enjoy it.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother TeresaI do not think the developers who come here are kids either. I do not think he went extremely out of line. People were talking all kinds of crap during the Iraq war here. However, no kids got offended then. However, Microsoft seems to be a religion here. No need to get so upset by a little rant. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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Who else will enforce them, if not the community? This is a community driven place, remember. The rules are made by the community for itself. If members of the community feel something wrong is taking place, they have every right to speak up.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother TeresaAlot of people, including somebodies kid syster maybe offended by you placing the flag of the country they may not like in your signature. Should somebody ask to remove it then? I doubt. At least not on programming site. However, you may consider that. "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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Alot of people, including somebodies kid syster maybe offended by you placing the flag of the country they may not like in your signature. Should somebody ask to remove it then? I doubt. At least not on programming site. However, you may consider that. "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
igor1960 wrote: Alot of people, including somebodies kid syster maybe offended by you placing the flag of the country they may not like in your signature. Who? Why? :confused: Do you even know which country's flag it is? igor1960 wrote: Should somebody ask to remove it then? Yes. If they really don't like it, they should stand up and speak. What I do next, is my look-out however. ;)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother Teresa -
My Kid Sister is 21? What can't she hear? All foul language is censored so why get your panties in such a bunch over a fellow developer having a very bad day. Take away the fact that this is a public forum where we should be able to vent our frustration ( not be emotionless drones who never get angry ) and this lounge is useless. I'm not saying its the best place for it but i don't think they guy deserved to get verbally raped by the entire community population for venting a bit. Grow up people. My 2 cents. -- Joe Joseph Dempsey joseph_r_dempsey@yahoo.com "What?, Of course its fireproof! ...... < 10 Minutes later in the ER > Sorry..." How about, "Bugs?, of course there are not bugs .... < 3 weeks after Production Release > Sorry..."
to vent your frustration, there is the soap box. There is a difference between ranting, and discussing. THIS was a rant. goes to the soapbox. The forum is not "public" as you like it, it belongs to Chris Maunder. He scraps together the money to make it possible. He invited you to the party, but he sets the rules. kid sister: are you playing dumb, or devils advocate? She's of course around 13, and.. just think of us old retarded whackos, who think a 13 year old girl doesn't necessarily need to know the Kamasutra front to back. Well, there are other, worse things we old farts don't like her to hear.. but I'm not sure if you can relate. My two bucks. P.S. or look at it this way: it's the only chance we can legally rant in the lounge :rolleyes:
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igor1960 wrote: Alot of people, including somebodies kid syster maybe offended by you placing the flag of the country they may not like in your signature. Who? Why? :confused: Do you even know which country's flag it is? igor1960 wrote: Should somebody ask to remove it then? Yes. If they really don't like it, they should stand up and speak. What I do next, is my look-out however. ;)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother TeresaIf you think that flag of India deserves to be posted on each message coming from you to the programming site hosted in Canada -- that's up to you. I personally have different understanding of patriotism. As to offended parties: I read newspaper articles that India is almost at war with at least one of there neighbours. But again, it maybe propaganda. Regards "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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igor1960 wrote: Alot of people, including somebodies kid syster maybe offended by you placing the flag of the country they may not like in your signature. Who? Why? :confused: Do you even know which country's flag it is? igor1960 wrote: Should somebody ask to remove it then? Yes. If they really don't like it, they should stand up and speak. What I do next, is my look-out however. ;)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother TeresaOK! Eventhough, I am an Indian, I don't like to have my country flag to be shown on this website......I assume this website is purely meant for programmers and NOT for people have lots of PATRIOTISM!!! I think if anyone can express what they like/believe thru incorporating some animated figures in their signatures, tomorrow someone come up with a NUDE DANCER signature, which will definitely hurt many people on this board!!!! So, I believe it is better to remove it.........
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If you think that flag of India deserves to be posted on each message coming from you to the programming site hosted in Canada -- that's up to you. I personally have different understanding of patriotism. As to offended parties: I read newspaper articles that India is almost at war with at least one of there neighbours. But again, it maybe propaganda. Regards "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
igor1960 wrote: If you think that flag of India deserves to be posted on each message coming from you to the programming site hosted in Canada -- that's up to you. The image for the flag is hosted on my own website which is paid for by me. The site is hosted in Canada, run by an Australian, and visited by people from all over the world. There is no rule on CP which says I can't wave my flag in my sig. I still feel the flag in my sig is appropriate. igor1960 wrote: I read newspaper articles that India is almost at war with at least one of there neighbours. But again, it maybe propaganda. So? Anyway, this is not entirely true. India and Pakistan have initiated steps towards bilateral agreements and the tension is resolving slowly. Plus, I'm on friendly terms with most Pakistani developers who post in these forums. I don't think they'll be offended.
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
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OK! Eventhough, I am an Indian, I don't like to have my country flag to be shown on this website......I assume this website is purely meant for programmers and NOT for people have lots of PATRIOTISM!!! I think if anyone can express what they like/believe thru incorporating some animated figures in their signatures, tomorrow someone come up with a NUDE DANCER signature, which will definitely hurt many people on this board!!!! So, I believe it is better to remove it.........
Your concern about inappropriate images is a valid one. However, it hasn't happened till now. The site admin allows us to do it. Whenever he thinks the feature should be removed, he'll do so. As for the patriotism bit, what's wrong with it?
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother Teresa -
If you think that flag of India deserves to be posted on each message coming from you to the programming site hosted in Canada -- that's up to you. I personally have different understanding of patriotism. As to offended parties: I read newspaper articles that India is almost at war with at least one of there neighbours. But again, it maybe propaganda. Regards "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
:rolleyes: :wtf: Come on, this is an international site - why can't people display the flag of their country?
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Your concern about inappropriate images is a valid one. However, it hasn't happened till now. The site admin allows us to do it. Whenever he thinks the feature should be removed, he'll do so. As for the patriotism bit, what's wrong with it?
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother TeresaI think Igor was merely indicating that what offends one person is a matter of degree. Since you ask, I find blind patriotism far more offensive than profanity.
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I think Igor was merely indicating that what offends one person is a matter of degree. Since you ask, I find blind patriotism far more offensive than profanity.
Andrew McCarter wrote: I find blind patriotism far more offensive than profanity. So do I. :) [EDIT] I also don't like pointless debates. [/EDIT]
Regards,Rohit Sinha
Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person.
- Mother Teresa